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Unread 01-24-2013, 09:34 PM   #766
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Ok brothers. I got the clutch slave and master in fired her up an food an issue.

The throw out bearing arm is making contact with the clutch housing.

I am running a YJ master with a TJ external slave. YJ ax15 housing, YJ throw out and YJ throw out arm. All new.

If I only engage the pedal 3/4 of the way everything is fine. If I put the clutch pedal to the floor it makes contact.

Any ideas? It's to late to contact Novak.

I new it was too good to be true.
Throw up some pics of where it is hittin?

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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:02 PM   #767
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Standby.

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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:10 PM   #768
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The throw out arm is hitting here on the pressure plate housing:
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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:12 PM   #769
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The throw out arm is hitting here on the pressure plate housing:
The circled spot or where your pen is?

But i don't see how that can be. There isn't much else you can do unless it's not the right one. But I'm still new to clutches. My cj is a manual clutch and it is not quite hooked up yet.

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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:17 PM   #770
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The circled spot or where your pen is?

But i don't see how that can be. There isn't much else you can do unless it's not the right one. But I'm still new to clutches. My cj is a manual clutch and it is not quite hooked up yet.

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Same place.

The rib on the outer part of the pressure plate.
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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:26 PM   #771
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i had this problem before on a roadster build with my dad i bent the fork a little bit i kind of put a little s bend in it i only needed a little bit of clearence i dont know how mush you need but it might be somthing you could explore.
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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:30 PM   #772
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i had this problem before on a roadster build with my dad i bent the fork a little bit i kind of put a little s bend in it i only needed a little bit of clearence i dont know how mush you need but it might be somthing you could explore.
I thought of that. But it's almost like the throw out id traveling to far?

Not sure yet.

It's always something.
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Unread 01-24-2013, 10:57 PM   #773
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Is this the correct orientation of the throw out lever?
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Unread 01-25-2013, 09:25 AM   #774
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Called Novak as soon as they opened this morning. Apparently they just recently added a slave cylinder adjustable push rode to this kit for my specific issue. (Throw out arm hitting pressure plate). The part was in my kit, but there is no mention of this part on the parts list or in the instructions. I should have asked them when I got the kit.

Since my trans is already installed I get to play guess the correct push rod length. Yay! Luckily it's a snow day so I am home and can mess with it when the baby takes a nap.
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Unread 01-25-2013, 02:20 PM   #775
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After looking over the clutch and the engagement and disengagment of the clutch I have discovered 2 things.


1) Clutch disengages way to late. The clutch pedal is about an inch off of the floor board, almost the end of the travel.

2) With the adjustable slave pushrod as short as it goes the throw out arm is still making contact with the pressure plate hat.

So I called Novak and spoke with Brad and then Eric. These guys re awesome by the way and Eric is extremely knowledgable on this specific kit. After discussing my issues he told me I have to understand that even when purchasing OEM replacement parts, these parts can very widely especially with clutches and specifically with the pressure plate hat height, which is causing both my issues. I need to engage the clutch sooner and shorten the amount of "throw" in the throw out arm.

So I need 2 things: A taller throwout bearing and a shorter slave push rod. I ordered the Novak adjustable throw out bearing to have if needed. Eric also told me that there is a taller Dodge throwout bearing that is difficult to find, Timken part # 614054. This is 1/8" taller than a stock jeep bearing. So I have found and also ordered that. It wasn't difficult. Rockauto FTMFW!

I will shorten the adjustable slave push rod after I get everything back together.

This is exactly why I haven't posted the parts list yet. I will when it is right.
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Unread 01-25-2013, 02:22 PM   #776
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Glad to see you are figuring it out. Looking good.
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Glad to see you are figuring it out. Looking good.
Yea, but i'm not looking forward to dropping the trans again.
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Unread 01-25-2013, 07:08 PM   #778
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Looking back through the thread the fuel fitting part number you listed to go from AN to hard line says on the website that its made to adapt -6AN to Aluminum tubing. Did you use aluminum tubing or did you use steel tubing? If you used steel tubing are you having any fuel leaks?
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Looking back through the thread the fuel fitting part number you listed to go from AN to hard line says on the website that its made to adapt -6AN to Aluminum tubing. Did you use aluminum tubing or did you use steel tubing? If you used steel tubing are you having any fuel leaks?
Steel lines. Its a brass fitting it will work fine with steel. I haven't had any leaks at all.
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Unread 02-01-2013, 01:09 PM   #780
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I'm just waiting on parts. Novak sent me their adjustable throwout bearing and modified throw out arm but there was something wrong with them. They would not fit together.

I called them and they are exposť ring me a new set that they say will be right. I should have those parts here on Saturday. Then we should get this build rolling again.
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