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Unread 06-28-2011, 10:42 AM   #436
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Spring under configuration is not as susceptible to wrap as the SOA setup
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Unread 06-28-2011, 11:24 AM   #437
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I've got more street miles on it than Mike does right now.

The leafs are the least of his problems.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 12:30 PM   #438
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I loved it wheeling - the combination of almost flat leaves and 100" wheelbase make for a very nice ride. I have yet to really drive it on the street, but I intend to this week once I get her street legal again.
I kinda like the no tail light look. You should just run it that way. Just use hand signals
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Unread 06-28-2011, 03:42 PM   #439
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I have something in mind for that John. I think you'll like it. Just have to see if mike is wanting to spend the money.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 05:19 PM   #440
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What did you make your rocker armor out of?
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Unread 06-28-2011, 07:35 PM   #441
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What did you make your rocker armor out of?
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its a **** hair under 3/16" I forget what gauge it actually is, but to the eye you can't see a difference between the rockers and corners.

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I have been thinking about the btf kit, I want to still keep it streetable. Let me know how it is on the road to.
Will do - it's a badass kit and it looks freakin sick too. Smokes drives like a dream on the street.


And yes, what smoke said about the anti wrap bar - I actually had zero issues saturday, we'll she how she holds up after a few more trips.

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what's that supposed to mean? Jerk. I'm guessing you're talking fuel cell and front suspension, mainly front suspension. How much DOM does marty have left? How do you think a short arm 3 link would do? anyone? I really haven't a clue.

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I have something in mind for that John. I think you'll like it. Just have to see if mike is wanting to spend the money.
ya.....I don't - I'll let you have that one James. I'll prolly just cut holes since I already have the LEDs. It's a badass idea, but I'd rather put that money towards something else.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 07:39 PM   #442
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Please do explain this "cool light" idea.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 07:58 PM   #443
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[QUOTE=gribbles;11780537]steel

its a **** hair under 3/16" I forget what gauge it actually is, but to the eye you can't see a difference between the rockers and corners.


what's that supposed to mean? Jerk. I'm guessing you're talking fuel cell and front suspension, mainly front suspension. How much DOM does marty have left? How do you think a short arm 3 link would do? anyone? I really haven't a clue.


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3 links are really dumb and just not practical, just make some super cheap new arms for the uppers and lowers. How much do you really drive that Jeep on the street anyway? Some cheap ruffstuff Heims and Misalighnment spacers. I have some extra DOM laying around. I know enough for some stupid strong lowers and uppers. I have 1.5 .250 wall. and 2 inch .250 wall.maybe enough to make your arms.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 08:20 PM   #444
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I think you might have me about convinced to go for it. Some people that I've talked to (flatlander) said that he wouldn't do leaves again in the rear. He also claimed that he could've done a four link for the same cost that he spent on the leaves set up...... doesn't sound right to me. How much are you into the rear stretch with the kit, leaves, anit-wrap bar, corners, drive shaft, and fuel cell? Am I missing anything? I was roughly estimating 900-1200.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 08:49 PM   #445
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3 links are really dumb and just not practical, just make some super cheap new arms for the uppers and lowers. How much do you really drive that Jeep on the street anyway? Some cheap ruffstuff Heims and Misalighnment spacers. I have some extra DOM laying around. I know enough for some stupid strong lowers and uppers. I have 1.5 .250 wall. and 2 inch .250 wall.maybe enough to make your arms.
I disagree about them being dumb....It may be pointless for short arms - but I'll never run a radius arm set up in the front - if/when I do a midish longish arm set up in the front it'll be a 3 link. I think I do just wanna run heims. I don't wanna worry about rebuildable joints and don't wanna spend the money on JJs. I think that extra DOM you have laying around may be just the ticket. Let me know what you want for it - also if you have enough - James already volunteered to weld em up for me.


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I think you might have me about convinced to go for it. Some people that I've talked to (flatlander) said that he wouldn't do leaves again in the rear. He also claimed that he could've done a four link for the same cost that he spent on the leaves set up...... doesn't sound right to me. How much are you into the rear stretch with the kit, leaves, anit-wrap bar, corners, drive shaft, and fuel cell? Am I missing anything? I was roughly estimating 900-1200.
Not a chance would it have cost the same, he may have been able to do it himself, but I wasn't about to mess with making my own suspension. Too much geometry and squat issues to worry about - leaves are plug and play.
Trust me, I thought long and hard about it for a while. I almost pulled the trigger on the poly suspension a few times but always came back to leaves.

I have less than $400 in the rear suspension and that is with the BTF crossmember. I really don't know what my total is.

I got a deal on the crossmember - $275 shipped if I recall, but it wasn't new, well it was but it wasn't used just sat in a shop for a year.

fuel cell I bought used (complete pump and all) as well, saved some on it rather than piecing it together.

I went with ruffstuffs simple swap kit - I think I paid $150 for everything

f250 shock towers that I used to outboard $15/piece

Corners are Savvy blanks, whatever those cost

leafs I traded for but are stock XJ with an extra main leaf

DS was like 100 to lenghten.

I don't have an anti-wrap bar.

shocks where cheap like $35 each cus 10" travel wont cut it (new are 12")

Keep in mind I sold basically everything that I added to my jeep - My old d44 which was locked and geared, Rokmen corners, control arms, rockers, etc. I only have about $500 of my own money in this, and that is because of a huge axle issue I ran into.

I haven't run it long enough to really tell you how I feel about them yet - but Smoke pretty much sold me on them, when I asked him if he'd do it again I believe he responded absolutely he would.

I'm off to bed - 16 hours is a long work day.
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Unread 06-28-2011, 08:52 PM   #446
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Also John, can you explain to me why 3 links aren't practical?
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Unread 06-28-2011, 09:02 PM   #447
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Also John, can you explain to me why 3 links aren't practical?
Why add all that extra stress to one side of the axle and frame? What if the one single upper link fails on the trail. It causes a huge mess of parts going places they should not be under your Jeep, Axle flopping out from under the Jeep. Just a bad bad day all together. That is coming from a guy who builds 50,000 dollar builds all the time out in CO.

Then I will never run radius arms either. Just do a longer short arm or Mid arm in the front. You can do a longer short arm with the stock frame mounts. This will give you a little more WB but also getting your front tires out there where they look and feel better. Or if you want to do a Mid arm just get some of those inexpensive Poly brackets.

Personally I am going to make some longer short arms and call it done.
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Unread 07-07-2011, 03:40 PM   #448
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smoke, do you have a build thread. I just picked up an 8.8 and was wanting to stretch the rear with leaves. Are you able to reuse the brackets on the explorer axle?
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Unread 07-07-2011, 04:16 PM   #449
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smoke, do you have a build thread. I just picked up an 8.8 and was wanting to stretch the rear with leaves. Are you able to reuse the brackets on the explorer axle?
he doesn't have a build thread - and I know that he used ruffstuffs simple swap kit. I do not think you'll be able to reuse the spring perches
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Unread 07-07-2011, 05:39 PM   #450
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I haven't seen any axles from one leaf sprung vehical to another leaf sprung vehicle be a direct swap. Even a XJ axle into a Comanche thats doing a SOA isn't a direct swap, spring perches are in different spots.

A YJ rear may work, but who wants to swap in a D35?
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