As the title suggests I am assembling the parts to put a Cummins 4BT in my 98 TJ. I Have been reserved in starting a build thread just because I don't want this thread to become one which is started and then all of a sudden it just magically stops.
I look forward to sharing the information which I have learned and intend this thread to be a guide for people who also want their JEEP to roll some coal.
A little background on the Jeep first. I bought my TJ bone stock three years ago for 5K from a grandfather who was saving the Jeep for his grandson. As life would have it the grandson wanted NOTHING to do with Jeeps because they are loud, ride like log wagons and bad gas mileage. Personally I was happy the kid had a terrible opinion because I got the Jeep for a decent price.
I couldn't wait to start turning the wrenches on the Jeep which my wife named Oscar because of the forest green color and she thinks that the Jeep makes me grouchy when I work on it. The first on the to do list was a Rough Country 2.5 inch suspension lift with the 3/4 inch poly spacer, Advanced Adapters slip yoke eliminator, Tom Woods drive shaft ,stinger front bumper from TKH fab and 33x12.50x 15 BFG muddterrians on Cragar Soft 8's.
The Jeep has been pretty much this way until about the last year when I upgraded the rear Dana 35 to a Ford 8.8 limited slip and a front Dana 30 high pinion which is Aussie locked. Also re geared the axles to 4.10s. This pretty much brings the mod list to current minus small things like cab lights, and Raptor lining the tub.
Approximately 5 months ago my stock 4.0 engine has been making some killer sounds. The lifters are crazy noisy ( which I know is common) I have been getting a very bad knock on the rear two cylinders. It was suggested by a couple guys at work that I was hearing piston slap. I dunno though they couldn't explain what piston slap was.. Also the engine has been running junky and honestly I was tired of chasing problems with the engine. I would get one issue fixed which led to another.
I contemplated doing a stroker and V8 and have been running through many pages of information on everything. I finally made my decision on a Cummins 4BT diesel. I will be very honest, the diesel is not the cheapest engine swap to do but for what I wanted the Jeep to be in the long run, the diesel was best choice.
I contacted Jeff Daniels Jeep (http://www.jeffdanielsjeeps.com) and spoke endlessly with Dan and Sean. Both Dan and Sean own the company and are EXTREMELY polite, personal and educated in putting Cummins in YJ's TJ's and even JK's. I was very impressed with both of their knowledge bases of the Cummins engine and Jeeps.
The 4BT has a VE pump which was rebuilt during the recon as well as the injectors. I plan on running a high mount turbo using either from a 6bt 5.9 exhaust manifold and cutting off one exhaust port on each side or buying a new one from Steed Speed although Steed's are a bit pricey.
Dan from Jeff Daniels jeeps has absolutely everything you would need when putting a Cummins in your Jeep. From engine mounts, crankshaft rings and cam shaft rings which will allow me to use all the stock gauges including the tach. Fuel pump check valve which will utilize the stock Jeep pump basically as a lift pump to assist the 4BT's engine driven fuel pump. The check valve will pop and will recirculate the fuel back to the tank via an additional fuel line which enters the fill tube close to the tank, to prevent splash back. The 4BT's fuel pump does not require an additional pump. This is just the way I chose to do mine
There is an additional way to do the fuel pump using only the 4BT's pump however that involves drilling a hole in the stock fuel pump and running a piece of stainless tubing as a pick up tube. I didn't go that route because I just put a new OEM fuel pump in which I couldn't stand to drill a hole in!!
Anyhow I will have more pictures and information coming soon. My engine and pieces will be shipping from Jeff Daniels Jeep either Monday or Tuesday of next week. I am shipping the engine using a local freight company R and L shipping. For a 1200 pound pallet from Pennsylvania to Ohio was $350 bucks NOT BAD AT ALL!!!
I talked to Dan and Sean this afternoon and the 4BT will ship on Wednesday and will arrive to me Thursday. Now starts the scary part, pulling my jeep apart!
Jeepin82, you are right. That was taken last weekend at Big Rock.. I live about 2 1/5 hours north of Big rock. It wasan easy drive down. We spent five hours at big rock and saw maybe only a 1/3 of the trails. My buddy who went with us took his stock 2011 JK which didnt do to bad. We are going to plan another trip ounce I get the diesel in. Are there more techinical trails at Bigrock? everything we found was either easy or CRAZY steep and looked like they were four wheeler trails.
Big rock is fun for what its worth. I enjoyed it. I only got to see about a 1/3 of the entire park. Bigrock advertises that its nearly 2K acres. There is so much to see and drive that its hard to judge what other trails are out there. The main trails are basically gravel rock and dirt trails which led to crazy steep drop off's. Steeper than i would ever venture into. When you go make sure you have all day to spend cause time will fly.
Just got done ordering a Daystar one inch body lift from Jegs.com and ordered a transfercase linkage from advanced adapters. I have heard that guys running a body lift get a bind in the shift linkage for the transfere case. And for 30 bucks i feel its good insurance.
Here is the picture of the shift linkage and the previous photot is of the body lift. I like the daystar because it completely replaces the entire stock jeep bushings
Okay so R&L Carriers based out of Wilimington Ohio will be picking up the engine on Wed. And i will have it Thurs.
I have some options on how i can run my turbo. Currently the stock setup is a low mount turbo manifold with a rear mount. So basically the turbo mounts on the rear of the manifold and on the bottom. This stock setup will push my down pipe into the firewall. My options are to cut and weld my firewall to make the down pipe fit, which i am not oppossed to, just takes longer.
My second option is to purchase a used 5.9 6BT manifold, cut off one port on each side and weld it shut. Then flip it and use it as a high centrr mount. I have no prices on used 6BT manifolds. There are plenty people who run this setup and have zero problems.
Third option is from a company called Steed speed performance. They are a Canadian company who cnc mills 4BT manifolds out of stainless. As yoy can imagine they are pricey. About 620 here are some pics of their manifolds
I want to build this jeep as best as i can however i do have a budget i must keep in mind. Personally i think Steed speed is artwork and their price reflects it.
Antone have a used manifold they want to donate to the rolling coal foundation?
I had thought one time of putting a 4bt in an old CJ I had but decided to go a different route in jeeps. Maybe I will if/when this motor goes...hopefully a looooong time from now! Great build!
I am using the stock AX-15 for now. I plan on upgrading the transmission down the road, after my funds recuperate from the engine. There are guys out there running AX-15 with the cummins and have had no problems. I will try it until it proves me otherwise.
Well i have gotten a lot done in the last week. First started off by getting the 4BT onto the engine stand. This wasnt easy by myself.
The first order of business was to ***** the engine and make sure it was exactly what i ordered. I am very happy with the overall engine. The only thing i dont like is a large dent in the oil pan which looks like a casualty of shipping..
Okay so R&L Carriers based out of Wilimington Ohio will be picking up the engine on Wed. And i will have it Thurs.
I have some options on how i can run my turbo. Currently the stock setup is a low mount turbo manifold with a rear mount. So basically the turbo mounts on the rear of the manifold and on the bottom. This stock setup will push my down pipe into the firewall. My options are to cut and weld my firewall to make the down pipe fit, which i am not oppossed to, just takes longer.
My second option is to purchase a used 5.9 6BT manifold, cut off one port on each side and weld it shut. Then flip it and use it as a high centrr mount. I have no prices on used 6BT manifolds. There are plenty people who run this setup and have zero problems.
Third option is from a company called Steed speed performance. They are a Canadian company who cnc mills 4BT manifolds out of stainless. As yoy can imagine they are pricey. About 620 here are some pics of their manifolds
I finally decided to buy a 5.9 exhaust manifold and cut the two ends off and weld the ends shut. I talked to a friend of mine who is a welder and he explained how to weld cast. I did manifold with a mig even though i should have used tig. ( but i aint got one)
The first picture is showing my final ground weld on the rear port.
The entire piece above.
And the front weld ground smooth.
I am very happy with how it turned out. Hopefully no cracks!!!!
Next on the list was the turbo. I managed to break another bolt off.. This time the bolt is in the exhaust housing of the turbo. Awesome. I know right.. so. A simple job of clocking the turbo has now gotten more complicated.
The first picture shows the compressor side of the turbo removed and with the orginal paint..
The second and third show what a little paint stripper wire wheel and a lot of elbow grease will get you. I got the compressor side clocked but cannot get the exhaust side to move. I beat the sh*t out of it with a dead blow and i honestly dont think it budged..
I forgot to post the pictures of removing the stock exhaust manifold. Removing the old bolts was a pain. There are eight bolts and three bolts broke off in the head.
After grinding the broken pieces of bolts flat i center punched them and then drilled them out followed by a tap to clean the threads in the head.
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