Nate's 2002 TJ, simple but effective.... - Page 136 - JeepForum.com

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #2026 of 4893 Old 07-31-2013, 11:52 PM
gspup
Registered User
2002 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Demfer
Posts: 2,707
Quote:
Originally Posted by MO2500

Me too
Me too. Lol

So many people think toyos are mall crawler tires...but I've never seen proof of a sidewall issue ??? They are beef and perform awesome.


TJ build: http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f22/ljs-devil-1329976/
gspup is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2027 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 12:14 AM
Moabrubi
Registered User
2005 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Posts: 1,577
Toyo's MT's are good tires a few guys I know run them. They are very similar to the old Cooper I had. Don't know why the bro's like them so much for mallcrawling but for wheeling they seem to be pretty good with a bulletproof sidewall.

I'd like to know how blue label Krawlers compare to MTR's though. Price and weight aside.

Thread highjacked
Moabrubi is offline  
post #2028 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 07:00 AM
mcannon111
Registered User
2006 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: irmo
Posts: 1,858
I've been thoroughly impressed with my km2s. Hook up great in east coast wheeling. They definitely hold on to a line better on slick, wet rock than an mtrk from what i've seen. I don't have much to compare to as they are the only 35 I have ever run. They are pretty loud now though after all the side lugs are completely rounded off, and many chunks are missing out the the tred

no doors, no top, no problems

live in sc? join OffroadSC.com


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
mcannon111 is offline  
post #2029 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 07:39 AM
Holaday
Registered User
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 1,574
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moabrubi View Post
Toyo's MT's are good tires a few guys I know run them. They are very similar to the old Cooper I had. Don't know why the bro's like them so much for mallcrawling but for wheeling they seem to be pretty good with a bulletproof sidewall.

I'd like to know how blue label Krawlers compare to MTR's though. Price and weight aside.

Thread highjacked
My Blue labels hook up far better than the MTRKs on the rocks wet or dry here in the Midwest. They really shine around 5 psi but weigh about 20lbs more per tire


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Holaday is offline  
post #2030 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 07:54 AM
AngryTJ
Registered User
2005 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 4,468
Quote:
Originally Posted by gst95dsm View Post
I think you have the best tire for all that right now.... I'm not a big Toyo guy though, I have no first hand experience with their MT, but seeing Toyo tires come in frequently, separated, worn funny, and worn quickly on all the crappy lifted trucks around here keeps them in the "poser" category for me.... basically good looking tires for pavement pounders with aftermarket wheels, with only one category they care about.... Looks. I also don't like that the 35" is 13.5 wide and around 10lbs. heavier per tire..... who know's though, they might actually work good. I see them on lot's of JK's in metric sizes.


Why Art..... with my little 10" of travel I haven't even been able to wear out the stock track bar! I could manage reinforcing it though if ever needed.
haha sorry to sidetrack your build Nate and get the tire discussion going. I love my mtrs I simply dont think they are very good when wet or muddy and I just want to try something different for east coast wheelin.

As far as the rear suspension goes is the plan to keep it as is due to costs and eventually 4 link?

Follow me on Instagram @ Tarantula_TJ


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
AngryTJ is offline  
post #2031 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 08:05 AM
IEcrawlerTJ01
Registered User
2000 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: lake elsinore
Posts: 1,215
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moabrubi
Toyo's MT's are good tires a few guys I know run them. They are very similar to the old Cooper I had. Don't know why the bro's like them so much for mallcrawling but for wheeling they seem to be pretty good with a bulletproof sidewall.

I'd like to know how blue label Krawlers compare to MTR's though. Price and weight aside.

Thread highjacked
As far as west coast. My wheeling bud has them

Both of us 35's. my Mtr/k's work better for the terrain out here IMO

SAVVY,CURRIE,GOODYEAR

Nuff said...
IEcrawlerTJ01 is offline  
post #2032 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 08:53 AM Thread Starter
gst95dsm
Chop, Wheel and Rebuild..
 
gst95dsm's Avatar
2002 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fresno CA
Posts: 4,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by AngryTJ View Post
haha sorry to sidetrack your build Nate and get the tire discussion going. I love my mtrs I simply dont think they are very good when wet or muddy and I just want to try something different for east coast wheelin.

As far as the rear suspension goes is the plan to keep it as is due to costs and eventually 4 link?
It's all good Lu, and the decision to keep the rear basically as is, is based on me not being able to think of any performance based reason to change it. Besides changing the joints. My main motivation to change it was to gain more clearance by running double triangle with a flush mounted crossmember..... I just think that might be a little over my head at this point so I'm good with keeping things as is, saving some coin, and just running what I know worked fine for me. I know I probably seem pretty indecisive, but until I actually got into this stretch, and the reality of the costs vs. benefits vs. downtime set in..... it made things much easier to decide.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
gst95dsm is offline  
post #2033 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 09:02 AM Thread Starter
gst95dsm
Chop, Wheel and Rebuild..
 
gst95dsm's Avatar
2002 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fresno CA
Posts: 4,366
As far as the tire talk goes...... my KM2's have been awesome, I'm a pretty die hard BFG fanboy though. I think the MTRK is actually the best M/T available right now, A lot of my buddies run them and they just seem to hook up well on dry rock, wear nicely without chunking and drive well on the street. I don't know about the wet, mud or snow. And I don't get the KM2 noise issues either.... Mine are perfectly acceptable, I'd even say quiet for an M/T. Oh well...... Toyo sucks.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
gst95dsm is offline  
post #2034 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 09:08 AM
Imped
Web Wheeler
 
Imped's Avatar
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 20,378
The MT/R isn't actually a mud terrain (M/T).....

As for your suspension, I can't argue with your reasoning. It's sound and you've arrived at your conclusion after researching the alternatives. The stock mount locations can work well as long as you bolt up good parts to them and keep your travel and height in check, which you do. I'd still recommend beefing up the lower mounts if you haven't already.

OlllllllO

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

IndyORV
Imped is offline  
post #2035 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 09:38 AM
Danno6102
Registered User
2003 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,572
The 4 link wouldn't cost you that much extra.

You're already buying new joints & making new links, already have to lengthen your driveshaft & doing the new fuel tank anyway. You'd just need to buy a few brackets, which could be homemade quite easily to save some coin, & a truss which a basic truss can be made/bent by a local shop pretty cheap. I'd say you could get the stretch done for little more than what you're spending already. What am I missing? I say just do the stretch. You knocked out a ton of work already, I'm sure you could knock out the rest just as quick as if you would keeping the stock geometry. You have to do just about the same amount of work. Only additional work you'd need to do is frame side brackets.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


"Evolution through carnage, the Jeep will keep what it needs."
Danno6102 is offline  
post #2036 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 10:06 AM Thread Starter
gst95dsm
Chop, Wheel and Rebuild..
 
gst95dsm's Avatar
2002 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fresno CA
Posts: 4,366
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imped View Post
The MT/R isn't actually a mud terrain (M/T).....

As for your suspension, I can't argue with your reasoning. It's sound and you've arrived at your conclusion after researching the alternatives. The stock mount locations can work well as long as you bolt up good parts to them and keep your travel and height in check, which you do. I'd still recommend beefing up the lower mounts if you haven't already.
Ok you got me... "Maximum Traction" Tire...

As far as the lower mounts go, I don't think I'll worry much about the D35 mounts since it's now a short term item. The 8.8 will have some strong lower mounts though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno6102 View Post
The 4 link wouldn't cost you that much extra.

You're already buying new joints & making new links, already have to lengthen your driveshaft & doing the new fuel tank anyway. You'd just need to buy a few brackets, which could be homemade quite easily to save some coin, & a truss which a basic truss can be made/bent by a local shop pretty cheap. I'd say you could get the stretch done for little more than what you're spending already. What am I missing? I say just do the stretch. You knocked out a ton of work already, I'm sure you could knock out the rest just as quick as if you would keeping the stock geometry. You have to do just about the same amount of work. Only additional work you'd need to do is frame side brackets.
I agree with a lot of that, but I'm NOT making new links, and not deviating from the stock axle side link mounts. I'll basically be running a stock style mid arm with 27" links, using a simple combo bracket on the frame side. If I wanted to wait until I had the funding to build the 8.8, then I would probably go another route..... but just as it is i'm spending WAY more on consumables and raw material than I anticipated. Triangulating the uppers is about a $2000 decision for me right now (building the 8.8 + new links) as I'm not about to truss and change the brackets on the D35. If I set up the suspension just as it was, I can have my jeep up and running, and have several fun side projects waiting for me...... the duroflex joint swap, and a bolt in rear axle swap. As the funding comes in. It's all compromises man...... but in this case, I don't feel like I'm shorting myself anything at all.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
gst95dsm is offline  
post #2037 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 10:07 AM
Imped
Web Wheeler
 
Imped's Avatar
2004 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 20,378
I was more referring to the frame mounts.......unless I'm confused, you're now sticking with the stock frame mounts right? If not, what exactly is your plan?

OlllllllO

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

IndyORV
Imped is offline  
post #2038 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 10:11 AM
Danno6102
Registered User
2003 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,572
Quote:
Originally Posted by gst95dsm View Post
Ok you got me... "Maximum Traction" Tire...

As far as the lower mounts go, I don't think I'll worry much about the D35 mounts since it's now a short term item. The 8.8 will have some strong lower mounts though.



I agree with a lot of that, but I'm NOT making new links, and not deviating from the stock axle side link mounts. I'll basically be running a stock style mid arm with 27" links, using a simple combo bracket on the frame side. If I wanted to wait until I had the funding to build the 8.8, then I would probably go another route..... but just as it is i'm spending WAY more on consumables and raw material than I anticipated. Triangulating the uppers is about a $2000 decision for me right now (building the 8.8 + new links) as I'm not about to truss and change the brackets on the D35. If I set up the suspension just as it was, I can have my jeep up and running, and have several fun side projects waiting for me...... the duroflex joint swap, and a bolt in rear axle swap. As the funding comes in. It's all compromises man...... but in this case, I don't feel like I'm shorting myself anything at all.
So you're putting the D35 back in? I thought the 8.8 was going in regardless of what you do with geometry. So, yea, that's a big chunk of change. I think I had about $800 in my 8.8 not including the ARB.

As far as the links go, I'm as confused as Connor. I thought you were sticking with all stock brackets & just making/modifying longer links to fit them.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


"Evolution through carnage, the Jeep will keep what it needs."
Danno6102 is offline  
post #2039 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 10:16 AM Thread Starter
gst95dsm
Chop, Wheel and Rebuild..
 
gst95dsm's Avatar
2002 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fresno CA
Posts: 4,366
My stock frame mounts are long gone, sorry for all the confusion guys, I know I've been talking in circles. Specifically ill be using the combo bracket that UCF sells, that runs the links out to the factory axle side brackets.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
gst95dsm is offline  
post #2040 of 4893 Old 08-01-2013, 10:32 AM Thread Starter
gst95dsm
Chop, Wheel and Rebuild..
 
gst95dsm's Avatar
2002 TJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Fresno CA
Posts: 4,366
Here's the install I did last year..... this time it will be the same... just 6" further back.



To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
gst95dsm is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the JeepForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid e-mail address for yourself.



Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Jeep Forums Replies Last Post
Nate's Jeep SOLIDJP44 Jeep Builds 438 06-25-2014 12:36 AM
93 YJ Clean and Simple mxr708 Jeep Builds 11 04-24-2011 08:54 PM
2004 WJ...simple for now... bleach1012 Jeep Builds 14 05-16-2009 11:01 PM
Nate's 4x4 Bumpers F+R Panici Jeep Picture Requests 27 12-21-2007 10:11 PM
Lights on Nate's Bumper 5artist5 Jeep Picture Requests 1 11-07-2007 11:19 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome