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Unread 02-24-2013, 05:48 PM   #76
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Axle wrap will happen no matter what you do especially with the longer leaf springs

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You wont have enough axle wrap with a 4banger and a SUA setup to worry about. I've never had axle wrap on my SUA jeeps, not even my CJ which is stretched 5" in the back and SUA.

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Unread 02-24-2013, 05:51 PM   #77
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Axle wrap will happen no matter what you do especially with the longer leaf springs
Well, up to a certain point; the more resilient the spring, the less the axle will be able to rotate...but by the time you get a spring stiff enough to hold the axle completely still you won't want to ride in the vehicle, anymore. I agree, though...long, flexy springs are basically a recipe for wrap. Might not be much, but it'll still be there.
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Unread 02-24-2013, 05:56 PM   #78
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Well, up to a certain point; the more resilient the spring, the less the axle will be able to rotate...but by the time you get a spring stiff enough to hold the axle completely still you won't want to ride in the vehicle, anymore. I agree, though...long, flexy springs are basically a recipe for wrap. Might not be much, but it'll still be there.
IMO, there won't be enough with XJ leafs SUA to have to worry about, not with a 4 banger and relatively small tires (35's)...

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Unread 02-24-2013, 06:03 PM   #79
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IMO, there won't be enough with XJ leafs SUA to have to worry about, not with a 4 banger and relatively small tires (35's)...
It may not ever be an issue but I can see situations where it could happen. Normally, there likely won't be a severe chance of axle wrap....but, given enough gearing, loading and resistance to tire rotation, the chances go up. Quickly.
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Unread 02-24-2013, 07:33 PM   #80
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Unread 02-24-2013, 10:06 PM   #81
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I got a little bit of noticeable axle wrap when I originally did my swap. If I dropped the clutch to the point of chirping the tires I could feel vibrations from the rear U joint. It didn't help that the leafs I used were worn to the point of sitting nearly flat. Not long after, I added one explorer leaf to each XJ pack in the back.. No more noticeable axle wrap, and it actually droops a bit more now when flexed out. As far as the SUA/SOA debate goes, SOA will likely yield you around 5+ inches of lift with XJ leafs. SUA is likely a better call for a lower set up.
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If youre going through all this fab work anyways, SOA shouldnt be out of the question just because of height. You can locate the spring frame and shackle hangers wherever youd like to get the desired height setup in either SUA or SOA. Im still SUA but from what Ive seen and heard, SOA is always the way to go if you have the skills and can afford to do it correctly so I would go spring over if I were going through the work anyways
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Unread 02-25-2013, 09:58 AM   #83
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Like I said earlier in the thread you can French your hangers into the frame to drop the height... But no nobody noticed because "I don't wheel my jeep"

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Unread 02-25-2013, 09:59 AM   #84
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You wont have enough axle wrap with a 4banger and a SUA setup to worry about. I've never had axle wrap on my SUA jeeps, not even my CJ which is stretched 5" in the back and SUA.

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I had axle wrap with my 4 cyl on 33s with 4.88 gears sua. And it hopped like a *****.

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... But no nobody noticed because "I don't wheel my jeep"

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I got a little bit of noticeable axle wrap when I originally did my swap. If I dropped the clutch to the point of chirping the tires I could feel vibrations from the rear U joint. It didn't help that the leafs I used were worn to the point of sitting nearly flat. Not long after, I added one explorer leaf to each XJ pack in the back.. No more noticeable axle wrap, and it actually droops a bit more now when flexed out. As far as the SUA/SOA debate goes, SOA will likely yield you around 5+ inches of lift with XJ leafs. SUA is likely a better call for a lower set up.
Im considering just buying new packs from JC Whitney. Do you think if i do this they will have the stiffness to not wrap?

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If youre going through all this fab work anyways, SOA shouldnt be out of the question just because of height. You can locate the spring frame and shackle hangers wherever youd like to get the desired height setup in either SUA or SOA. Im still SUA but from what Ive seen and heard, SOA is always the way to go if you have the skills and can afford to do it correctly so I would go spring over if I were going through the work anyways
After doing a little research this will be a SUA build for what i want it will serve its purpose well. It will be a little cheaper to do. If i dont want SOA because of the fact I fell that with 4.88s and 35s and maby 37s on day i dont want to run a traction bar because it will ride like a**, and i dont want 5+ inches of lift, this is a LCOG build.

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Like I said earlier in the thread you can French your hangers into the frame to drop the height... But no nobody noticed because "I don't wheel my jeep"

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I took note of this earlier and if my lift is too much i will be frenching the hangers into the frame.
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If i dont want SOA because of the fact I fell that with 4.88s and 35s and maby 37s on day i dont want to run a traction bar because it will ride like a**, and i dont want 5+ inches of lift, this is a LCOG build.
A few points:
- If you set up a traction bar the wrong way, then yes...it will ride badly.
- 4.88's may not be enough if you have a heavy rig.
- If you're thinking of 37's, you need more axle strength, period.
- If you're going for a truly low center of mass, you need as little overall lift as possible; in my opinion, a 3" lift isn't "low" at all. 2" or lower springs, a stretch, plenty of uptravel and 37's would make a good start towards a "low" build. Again, that's my opinion.
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A few points:
- If you set up a traction bar the wrong way, then yes...it will ride badly.
- 4.88's may not be enough if you have a heavy rig.
- If you're thinking of 37's, you need more axle strength, period.
- If you're going for a truly low center of mass, you need as little overall lift as possible; in my opinion, a 3" lift isn't "low" at all. 2" or lower springs, a stretch, plenty of uptravel and 37's would make a good start towards a "low" build. Again, that's my opinion.
3" is basically the norm now days for 33's-35's. 2" or lower like this guy said will be considered low. BUT, don't build your TJ to be different or to be a trendy (that sounds gay). Build it so it works. When I had my TJ, at 2" suspension, 1.25 body, and 35's on 15x8 wheels with 3.75" back spacing it felt good, but I still wanted to be a little lower or wider. Same with my XJ now. I need to go wider. And just because, LCOG is the stupidest fawking term ever. Trying to define it is dumb. Just build your TJ so it is stable.

And quit worrying about it so you can wheel it this weekend and figure out what you rreally need to do to it. .!..!.
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A few points:
- If you set up a traction bar the wrong way, then yes...it will ride badly.
- 4.88's may not be enough if you have a heavy rig.
- If you're thinking of 37's, you need more axle strength, period.
- If you're going for a truly low center of mass, you need as little overall lift as possible; in my opinion, a 3" lift isn't "low" at all. 2" or lower springs, a stretch, plenty of uptravel and 37's would make a good start towards a "low" build. Again, that's my opinion.
Your entitled to it completely and Im glad to hear from anyone's input we all have something to bring to the table. I just dont want to go down the traction bar road. As badly as ive seen ibejeepin95 thrash on stock XJ axles with 35s i wouldn't worry too much about 37s and a 4cyl on the same axles, I would however upgrade to cromo shafts and run a truss on the HP30. I will not be any higher than 3 inches I feel that it will be low enough.

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3" is basically the norm now days for 33's-35's. 2" or lower like this guy said will be considered low. BUT, don't build your TJ to be different or to be a trendy (that sounds gay). Build it so it works. When I had my TJ, at 2" suspension, 1.25 body, and 35's on 15x8 wheels with 3.75" back spacing it felt good, but I still wanted to be a little lower or wider. Same with my XJ now. I need to go wider. And just because, LCOG is the stupidest fawking term ever. Trying to define it is dumb. Just build your TJ so it is stable.

And quit worrying about it so you can wheel it this weekend and figure out what you rreally need to do to it. .!..!.
Thats a good start. Big Boys this weekend!
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Your entitled to it completely and Im glad to hear from anyone's input we all have something to bring to the table. I just dont want to go down the traction bar road. As badly as ive seen ibejeepin95 thrash on stock XJ axles with 35s i wouldn't worry too much about 37s and a 4cyl on the same axles, I would however upgrade to cromo shafts and run a truss on the HP30. I will not be any higher than 3 inches I feel that it will be low enough.

Thats a good start. Big Boys this weekend!
Please run 37s on the c8.25 and tell me how it goes, if it works out I might try it too!

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