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Unread 06-23-2013, 11:46 AM   #271
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Well looks like my winchline is toast from that. This thing only has 7 or so pulls on it and I always took care of it. Now I just need to decide, Steel or synthetic.

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Warn pulled like a champ. Steel winch cable and Optima battery didn't handle it so well

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Unread 06-23-2013, 12:13 PM   #272
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Synthetic

Hands down




Want to head back to bear next weekend anyone? I have been wanting to start the day coming up deep creek. Do Holcomb. Then head to John bull and run it the harder way
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Unread 06-23-2013, 12:33 PM   #273
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Well looks like my winchline is toast from that. This thing only has 7 or so pulls on it and I always took care of it. Now I just need to decide, Steel or synthetic.

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Warn pulled like a champ. Steel winch cable and Optima battery didn't handle it so well

Cable is fine, you didn't spool it correctly. One hard pull should take care of it. Or buy another steel cable from somebody, that just has to have a synthetic winch line. I haven't seen a good reason to replace either steel cable on my winches yet. Both been used hard quite a few times.
Don't get me wrong a quality synthetic winch line is nice, but they have a terribly bad habit of getting bound up on the winch drum, makes it hard to spool out. Steel has worked well for me to date. Synthetic is nice when it breaks, just falls to the ground and yes I have seen them break when they shouldn't have. winch line was rated higher than the 9000 lbs winch yet it snapped without pulling real hard. Was a quality brand winch line too
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Unread 06-23-2013, 01:04 PM   #274
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Synthetic

Hands down




Want to head back to bear next weekend anyone? I have been wanting to start the day coming up deep creek. Do Holcomb. Then head to John bull and run it the harder way
And the great debate starts. I'm a little torn which way to go still.

I'm thinking of going back and hitting Dishpan/Holcomb and maybe another trail if there is time. I was planning to hit Holcomb yesterday but that second obstacle really held us up.

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Cable is fine, you didn't spool it correctly. One hard pull should take care of it. Or buy another steel cable from somebody, that just has to have a synthetic winch line. I haven't seen a good reason to replace either steel cable on my winches yet. Both been used hard quite a few times.
Don't get me wrong a quality synthetic winch line is nice, but they have a terribly bad habit of getting bound up on the winch drum, makes it hard to spool out. Steel has worked well for me to date. Synthetic is nice when it breaks, just falls to the ground and yes I have seen them break when they shouldn't have. winch line was rated higher than the 9000 lbs winch yet it snapped without pulling real hard. Was a quality brand winch line too
I dunno, I spool it in properly every time. I make sure right before I winch that it is in there correctly as well. Yesterday at the end of the winching session i didn't spool it in correctly but I just left it loose.

Being able to drag it over rocks and stuff is nice, but steel can just be a pain in the butt sometimes.

Hmm.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 01:20 PM   #275
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And the great debate starts. I'm a little torn which way to go still.

I'm thinking of going back and hitting Dishpan/Holcomb and maybe another trail if there is time. I was planning to hit Holcomb yesterday but that second obstacle really held us up.



I dunno, I spool it in properly every time. I make sure right before I winch that it is in there correctly as well. Yesterday at the end of the winching session i didn't spool it in correctly but I just left it loose.

Being able to drag it over rocks and stuff is nice, but steel can just be a pain in the butt sometimes.



Hmm.
Pros and cons for both. If I can ged my redlabels sold I'll buy some more 37's and come out and play. Has been a while since I have done some Big Bear trails
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Unread 06-23-2013, 01:37 PM   #276
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Alright more pictures have arrived.


Coming up the Gatekeeper



Here is where that LJ was stuck on the right side. He had no winch to pull himself up.



So I had to try climbing the left to get up above him and winch him up.



Pretty sweet picture of me bumping it.







My passenger rear tire is trying to climb up a 3 foot ledge with limited traction.



I kept sliding off the rock and ended up here.


For timesake I decided to winch. I probably could have made it with some persistence.



I really like this one as well.


Fun day, No pictures of me winching the group up. I want to go back before the summer is over and try that again.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 05:00 PM   #277
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You can climb the left side, just got to go way high to the point it almost wants to flop and it will walk up
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Unread 06-23-2013, 05:29 PM   #278
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You can climb the left side, just got to go way high to the point it almost wants to flop and it will walk up
I think I know the line your talking about. I tried that and just slid to the right.
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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:14 PM   #279
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looks like fun
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Unread 06-23-2013, 06:30 PM   #280
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Synthetic all the way for safety reasons alone

If you have ever seen a cable snap under tension you won't hesitate to go with synthetic

The weight savings and non hand cutting wire is just a bonus
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Unread 06-23-2013, 08:41 PM   #281
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Synthetic all the way for safety reasons alone

If you have ever seen a cable snap under tension you won't hesitate to go with synthetic

The weight savings and non hand cutting wire is just a bonus
I would have probably ordered the Viking line already if I had an extra $400 sitting around right now. You know how that goes.

For the time being I had an extra cable sitting in the corner of the garage so I just threw that on there.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 01:12 AM   #282
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You can look into someplace like this

http://www.reddenmarine.com/samson-r...blue-foot.html

You can buy it by the foot. Just need to splice it yourself but its worth learning
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Unread 06-24-2013, 08:22 AM   #283
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You can look into someplace like this

http://www.reddenmarine.com/samson-r...blue-foot.html

You can buy it by the foot. Just need to splice it yourself but its worth learning
Thats a lot more reasonably priced and learning to splice it would be a must anyway IMO. I will save that link for when the time comes.

I'd also like to add a safety thimble to this as well. I like it a lot better then hooks.
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Unread 06-24-2013, 11:29 AM   #284
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Thats a lot more reasonably priced and learning to splice it would be a must anyway IMO. I will save that link for when the time comes.

I'd also like to add a safety thimble to this as well. I like it a lot better then hooks.
That is my plan as well. I was watching a few youtube videos and it seems pretty straightforward
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Unread 06-24-2013, 09:29 PM   #285
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That is my plan as well. I was watching a few youtube videos and it seems pretty straightforward
Thanks for all the info, I just watched a couple Youtube videos and splicing is pretty simple. I added up the cost and it looks like I'd save around $80 buying the Sampson Amsteel with a safety thimble and 8' rock guard vs just buying the Viking setup.

I'd like to learn to splice so when I do get a rope I'll probably put it together myself. I'm really liking this synthetic stuff .
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