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Unread 01-13-2011, 12:10 PM   #481
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But for a factory warranty to be voided, they have to prove that the breakage was directly due to any modifications that you've done to the jeep. But I understand that if people are unknowledgeable and/or unwilling to argue a point with a dealership, than this could be a problem as well. IDK, I look at the cost of some of the **** that gets done to my jeep, like changing diff fluid, ****ers charged me ~300 dollars to change my front and rear diff fluid... I could have done that **** for less than $100. I guess my desire to fabricate my own **** as well as do all my own work is based both in a desire to learn about my jeep, and not pay someone else an assload of money to do simple tasks.
In the sense of JK vs. TJ DIY'ers, it's easy.....most JK owners are noobs, most of whom have more dollars than sense. Bolting on parts is hard enough, let alone thinking past that point. Let's be honest, most people are brought up thinking that anything to do with cars should be "left to the pros." In reality, that's a bunch of crap and 99% of the stuff can be done with hand tools and cost MUCH less than the "pros" would charge. Having a true understanding about how the systems in our vehicles works takes a little time and a desire to learn and save money. Unfortunately, that's not too common nowadays. That may be a bit harsh but it's true and evident. There are some solid JKers on here, though and you seem like one of them.

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Unread 01-13-2011, 02:10 PM   #482
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Today's progress...

Rolled the jeep outside. Looking pretty cool with the chop top and single hoop haha


Was able to duplicate the bends on both c-pillars almost perfectly. Loving this Pro-tools bender and Bend-tech software makes it easy.


New saw cutting tube like butter


Started working on fitting one side


Both sides fitted and just sitting in place. still want to work on the fit a little before I tack them in.


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Unread 01-13-2011, 03:15 PM   #483
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Unread 01-13-2011, 03:51 PM   #484
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It's coming together. Although slower than I would like it to but I don't want to rush to get something like this finished. I'd rather it take months if the quality can be better. At my current rate, I measure and check about 20 times before I make a cut or bend, and then grind a little, check the fit, grind some more, etc. etc...

I think it will pay off though. Plus I only have about 4-5 inches of waste at the moment which is good since DOM isn't cheap.
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Unread 01-13-2011, 04:19 PM   #485
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Looking good man. I really like the C pillars. and btw 4-5 inches of waste isn't to bad at all. Keep up the good work!
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Unread 01-13-2011, 04:38 PM   #486
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That's gonna look sick when it's done. The slant cage look on TJs is boss.
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Unread 01-13-2011, 04:57 PM   #487
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Had no idea you were going to do a fast-back cage. That's gonna look saweeet!
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Unread 01-13-2011, 06:05 PM   #488
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Looking good man. I really like the C pillars. and btw 4-5 inches of waste isn't to bad at all. Keep up the good work!
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That's gonna look sick when it's done. The slant cage look on TJs is boss.
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Had no idea you were going to do a fast-back cage. That's gonna look saweeet!
Well...

I was planning to do something close to this. This is Gerald's (Savvy) 2003 and I like the line of the cage. That was the plan till today.


Now I'm considering doing something like this but slightly different with my own twist.



So, I guess it comes down to should I keep it fastback like it is now and just add the diagonals or bump it out like the first pic? Space is not an issue. I'm not planning to run a backseat or anything. I also believe both designs are strong structually. I'd like to hear your guys input

I kinda like the fastback look now over my original design...

Edit: I'm only talking about the C-pillar design/bracing, not the rest of those cage designs. I changed the pics to some better ones to show what I'm talking about.
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Unread 01-13-2011, 06:17 PM   #489
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I like the look of the first one because it is clean and balanced. But the second one is going to suit you a little better. Nothing will penetrate that one... Need more pictures man can't wait
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Unread 01-13-2011, 06:44 PM   #490
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I definitely like the fast-back better. It has a nice retro look to it.
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Unread 01-13-2011, 09:06 PM   #491
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So after reading this build thread as well as flatlander's and jbennett and a few others, I notice a lot more custom work going on with TJs than with any of the JK builds that I've been able to find. Is there a reason for this that i'm missing? I just don't understand why almost everything you see done to a JK is bolt on and purchased... Are there any thoughts to this?
I think it's partially what Imped said, and also the fact that they're just too new at this time.

Just 3 years ago when I joined JF, there was nowhere near this much awesome fab work going on in TJs.

JKs are at the most 4 years old now... so they have just started getting out of their warranties. They still cost quite a bit, and will until the next Jeep revision comes out.

Also it really doesn't help that JKs have so many creature comforts and electronic gizmos(read: TPMS, ABS, traction control, etc) that it takes that much more work to make custom modifications -not- interfere with that crap.

And also, JKs come with a horrible motor(torque-wise... not dependability wise), so if you want a badass JK, you had BETTER plan on swapping out the engine... which is even more money. The 4.0 is plenty fine when geared right.


JKs don't come with a 4cyl because the V6 is slow enough.


I think those are primary contributing factors.

edit: If I got my hands on a JK I would void so much warrantay it would be silly.
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Unread 01-13-2011, 09:52 PM   #492
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edit: If I got my hands on a JK I would void so much warrantay it would be silly.
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I definitely like the fast-back better. It has a nice retro look to it.
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I like the look of the first one because it is clean and balanced. But the second one is going to suit you a little better. Nothing will penetrate that one... Need more pictures man can't wait
Well that's one for keeping the lines of the fastback and kind of one vote for the other design (but maybe fastback because it might "suit [me] better" lol )

Any other opinions or suggestions from you guys? I appreciate input so far
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Unread 01-13-2011, 10:10 PM   #493
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Since you already started with the same b pillar as the second one.. stay on that route. The more you become familar with the tube bending you might start adding even more supports much like the second one..

Seeing this is tempting me to get a bender myself
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Unread 01-13-2011, 10:20 PM   #494
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Since you already started with the same b pillar as the second one.. stay on that route. The more you become familar with the tube bending you might start adding even more supports much like the second one..

Seeing this is tempting me to get a bender myself
Basically I'm just looking at the C pillar designs on those two cages. I am definitely adding a bunch more structural supports throughout the entire cage (I'm a little less than 20ft into the 100ft of DOM I bought ) But I also see what your saying since it might look different being that the one is built A/C-pillar vs. the traditional B-pillar. I personally think the bent B-pillar is stronger which is why I went that direction. Many will argue that either design is strong. I guess it's personal preference really.
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Unread 01-13-2011, 10:23 PM   #495
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Do you ever plan on having rear passengers again... If you had CAD you could make different designs. Only access i have to it is at would, and I'm not allowed to do jeep stuff anymore
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