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Unread 04-09-2011, 04:08 PM   #451
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bahahaha, i am not getting power to the transmission, great! something is wrong here....
See that lever that says PRND21?
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Clutches get stuck maybe? Syncros not syncing?
I dunno dude. Back it up to the modem and we'll get right on it.

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Unread 04-09-2011, 05:11 PM   #452
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Is it not selecting gears or is it just not engaging?

When we fired mine up last week, it wouldn't come out of Park. Turns out the low range lever was lifted. Pushed it back down and it shifted fine.
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Unread 04-09-2011, 05:22 PM   #453
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it seems like its not engaging, as in, i shift from "p" or "n" into something else, and nothing happens. no bog, no noise, no thud, no nothing.

seems entirely like the engine is disconnected from the transmission. Is it possible i didnt seat the torque converter all the way, so its just spinning freely?

it clunked a few times as i rotated it to seat it, and everything seemed fine when i slid it away from the tranny to connect it to the flex plate.
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Unread 04-09-2011, 05:29 PM   #454
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it seems like its not engaging, as in, i shift from "p" or "n" into something else, and nothing happens. no bog, no noise, no thud, no nothing.

seems entirely like the engine is disconnected from the transmission. Is it possible i didnt seat the torque converter all the way, so its just spinning freely?

it clunked a few times as i rotated it to seat it, and everything seemed fine when i slid it away from the tranny to connect it to the flex plate.
I hate to say it, but I fear you just popped the pump.

You attach the trans and engine together which leaves just enough room between the plate and the converter to spin it to line the holes up. There should have been no reason to slide it away from the transmission.
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my old one slid back a little ways when i took it off.

what do you mean popped the pump? it doesnt seem like its even connected.
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and, apparently timing is pretty darn easy.

just watched a video from MSD about how to do it using a light, all i gotta do is pick up a cheap timing light and go to town, provided i can get it started up again tomorrow.
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my old one slid back a little ways when i took it off.

what do you mean popped the pump? it doesnt seem like its even connected.
How far did you slide it? The clearance on mine was maybe 1/4 of an inch.

If the converter isn't properly engaged it will blow the pump. If you had the transmission case and engine pulled together all the way around and spun the converter on installation until all of the wobble was taken out of it, you will be okay.
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and, apparently timing is pretty darn easy.

just watched a video from MSD about how to do it using a light, all i gotta do is pick up a cheap timing light and go to town, provided i can get it started up again tomorrow.
Timing is a breeze. Just be sure to cap off the vacuum advance when you do it.
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I hate to say it, but I fear you just popped the pump.

You attach the trans and engine together which leaves just enough room between the plate and the converter to spin it to line the holes up. There should have been no reason to slide it away from the transmission.
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How far did you slide it? The clearance on mine was maybe 1/4 of an inch.

If the converter isn't properly engaged it will blow the pump. If you had the transmission case and engine pulled together all the way around and spun the converter on installation until all of the wobble was taken out of it, you will be okay.
okay, i dont know, i guess maybe it wasnt engaged?

would the pump being damaged result in my issue though? I think there's something bigger going on here, that being that nothing is turning.

I guess i'll be dropping the transmission regardless, i dunno what to look for though.
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Try pulling your coil wire off then cranking your engine to see if you are pumping transmission fluid.
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and if i'm not pumping fluid? i'd assume it's simply not engaged at all?
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and if i'm not pumping fluid? i'd assume it's simply not engaged at all?
If you aren't pumping fluid, you're not engaged or your pump isn't working. Just a quick check to let you start narrowing things down.
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apparently having nowhere near enough fluid in the trans can cause issues. I know there isnt much in there, but i guess it has to be running when you fill it all the way?

Ill try putting more fluid in tomorrow, it probably only had about 5 or 6 quarts in it.
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apparently having nowhere near enough fluid in the trans can cause issues. I know there isnt much in there, but i guess it has to be running when you fill it all the way?

Ill try putting more fluid in tomorrow, it probably only had about 5 or 6 quarts in it.
I think the last rebuilt TH-400 I had took 10-12 QTS of ATF to fill it. Also when you installed the torque convertor it should had made 3 clunks as it engaged the pump. Hope it's a simple fix for you.
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soooo,

yeah, i added several quarts, turned it back on, and it sucked them all up, reading empty again.

So, i added a few more quarts while running, and ran out (i poured in 12 quarts) its reading below full, but is reading consistantly on the stick while running.

I hopped in the truck, put it in gear, and thud! it stalled.

GOOD! That means i have forward and reverse! Now, if only I can make the engine run under load, haha. timing and carb adjustment, here i come.
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