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post #46 of 178 Old 12-05-2011, 08:08 PM
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do those shackles come with the rubber bushings, or do you have to buy that separately? i'm guessing they do and that you can just slap them in the btf crossmember hanger?

edit: and are those 1 inch yj lift shackles or stock length? it doesn't say but it falls under the lift category... and have you set up a track bar for the rear?


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post #47 of 178 Old 12-05-2011, 08:50 PM
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This jeep is amazing no other way to put it!!!!

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post #48 of 178 Old 12-06-2011, 07:08 AM Thread Starter
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do those shackles come with the rubber bushings, or do you have to buy that separately? i'm guessing they do and that you can just slap them in the btf crossmember hanger?

edit: and are those 1 inch yj lift shackles or stock length? it doesn't say but it falls under the lift category... and have you set up a track bar for the rear?
Yep, they come with rubber bushings which you'll use on the BTF crossmember. They are also 1" yj lift shackles which IMO is the longest shackle I would recommend on this swap.

On the track bar, just curious why you would want to do this? Track bars locate laterally, which is rarely used with leaf suspensions since the springs do this. If you're referring to a "traction bar" or "ladder bar".... these are very necessary when doing a "spring over" setup (leafs on top of axle) to prevent spring wrap and pinion angle change. However, I didn't want the lift height of spring over and went spring under axle, which isn't nearly as susceptible to axle wrap. So short answer, no, I don't run any traction bar / track bar links in the rear.

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This jeep is amazing no other way to put it!!!!
Thanks Lime! It's been my favorite build out of all of them I've done

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post #50 of 178 Old 12-06-2011, 10:50 AM
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What did you do to address the fuel gelling in cold temps?

Your Jeep still gives me a mild chub...

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post #51 of 178 Old 12-06-2011, 02:05 PM
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Yep, they come with rubber bushings which you'll use on the BTF crossmember. They are also 1" yj lift shackles which IMO is the longest shackle I would recommend on this swap.

On the track bar, just curious why you would want to do this? Track bars locate laterally, which is rarely used with leaf suspensions since the springs do this. If you're referring to a "traction bar" or "ladder bar".... these are very necessary when doing a "spring over" setup (leafs on top of axle) to prevent spring wrap and pinion angle change. However, I didn't want the lift height of spring over and went spring under axle, which isn't nearly as susceptible to axle wrap. So short answer, no, I don't run any traction bar / track bar links in the rear.
yeah sorry man i meant a traction/ladder bar, idk why i wrote track haha... but do you get any axle wrap with out it??

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post #52 of 178 Old 12-06-2011, 02:14 PM
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It's cool to see a build thread Smoke....Your build has been an inspiration to me
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post #53 of 178 Old 12-06-2011, 05:24 PM Thread Starter
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What did you do to address the fuel gelling in cold temps?

Your Jeep still gives me a mild chub...

Sent from planet X.
Not too much of a concern in the midwest anymore, especially when they change over to 'winter blend' which is a combo No. 1/No. 2 diesel. There are some old timers that still swear you have to run additives.

btw, your Jeep ain't too chabby either

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yeah sorry man i meant a traction/ladder bar, idk why i wrote track haha... but do you get any axle wrap with out it??

thanks for answering all these questions man
With the stock XJ springs, I did get some level of axle wrap but not enough that I ever broke anything. Now with the OME springs it doesn't wrap at all. You could also get a set of springs with military wrap 2nd leaves to prevent it.

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It's cool to see a build thread Smoke....Your build has been an inspiration to me
Thanks Kyle. Already pointed a couple guys your way that are looking for something other than the 'way back' spring hangers.

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post #54 of 178 Old 12-07-2011, 12:58 AM
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Love it, just seems that a small-ish diesel in a Jeep just makes sense . How do you like the 4.10's with 37s? I assume it keeps the rpms fairly low/efficient, I forget where I was reading a 4BT swap where the OP was trying to maintain around 1500 rpms on the highway..gotta love the torque of a diesel

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Awesome build! I love how you build stuff that would take the rest of us days/weeks like it's nothing - "built cage." "Built long arms".

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sorry if this has already been asked but what did you use for a transmission? are there adapter plates to this motor?

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post #57 of 178 Old 12-07-2011, 10:57 AM
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so these are the springs you ended up with i'm guessing?? http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_5054.htm

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Love it, just seems that a small-ish diesel in a Jeep just makes sense . How do you like the 4.10's with 37s? I assume it keeps the rpms fairly low/efficient, I forget where I was reading a 4BT swap where the OP was trying to maintain around 1500 rpms on the highway..gotta love the torque of a diesel
The 4.10 and 37's are actually a bit high for this engine at 70mph. Ideally I would run a 3.73 with this trans/tcase combo. As it currently is, I rarely launch in first, and a 4:1 ratio in the tcase makes gears 1-2 unusable offroad. However, the NSG370 has a great ratio spread. It'd be different with an AX15.

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Awesome build! I love how you build stuff that would take the rest of us days/weeks like it's nothing - "built cage." "Built long arms".
In all fairness, I'm just moving this build thread from our private IndyORV board to JF. This build took exactly 6 months from start to finish, and that was working every night and 12 hour days on the weekend. I'm no better than most of you

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sorry if this has already been asked but what did you use for a transmission? are there adapter plates to this motor?
NSG370. I use an adapter that a friend drew up and machined on CNC. Still debating on whether to offer a kit to the public.

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so these are the springs you ended up with i'm guessing?? http://www.quadratec.com/products/16090_5054.htm
That's correct, those are springs that I use today, with the exception of an extra main leaf. If you're ordering new ones, I would recommend the heavy load ones which may prevent the necessity of the extra leaf. Of course, all depends if your Jeep is set up similiarly to mine (armor, wheelbase, accessories).

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post #59 of 178 Old 12-07-2011, 05:54 PM
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Are you going to tow with it? Why did u choose to put leafs in the rear? (sorry if this question has already been asked)
Nice jeep man!
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post #60 of 178 Old 12-07-2011, 06:17 PM
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Wow...

Read the stuff he posts don't just look at the pictures. He's using leafs for the simple fact that he likes them.

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The leaf spring swap accomplishes a couple things:
1.) Adjustable 6-9" WB stretch
2.) Easy ride height and spring rate adjustments (add a leaf, lose a leaf)
3.) Side hill stability

And no, I'm not going to argue with anyone about leaf vs. 4-link vs. tri-link vs. your grandma's best buddie's trailing arm setup. This works for me and I like it....
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