post #1036 of Old 08-20-2013, 10:05 AM Thread Starter
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I would guess 15 5/8 to 15 1/2.

Jeff from Rokmen said my uppers are to long which is rotating the housing forward and hitting. I will try to reduce their length and go from there. Maybe add the MC tb too. I wonder if it has enough adjust-ability to work with my set up.


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post #1037 of Old 08-20-2013, 10:21 AM
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As low as you are, I think the stock track bar would be best. I'd put the MC in second place....it'd probably be a little offset at ride height, like 1/2". You could probably cut down the end 1/4" or so and you'd be good. You're just too low for the Currie bar to work without really limiting your up travel IMO. It works great with taller springs that need some extra bump stop to prevent coil bind.

Hell, you could always just go up. You have an LJ.....being that low is probably a hindrance.

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As low as you are, I think the stock track bar would be best. I'd put the MC in second place....it'd probably be a little offset at ride height, like 1/2". You could probably cut down the end 1/4" or so and you'd be good. You're just too low for the Currie bar to work without really limiting your up travel IMO. It works great with taller springs that need some extra bump stop to prevent coil bind.

Hell, you could always just go up. You have an LJ.....being that low is probably a hindrance.
Are we talking about the same trackbar?

This is the one I have in the pictures (not the one that I had, which rubs). This one's only interference is the jj housing. Currie says it is designed for 2" lifts. Rokmen said it is what they use on their low TJ/LJ builds with their arms.

http://www.currieenterprises.com/ces...t.aspx?id=3488

I have no problem getting the MC tb if this one doesnt work. I will probably have to wait til this weekend to adjust... damn rain.

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post #1039 of Old 08-20-2013, 04:19 PM
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The 9120.....the only Currie track bar available. Yes, we're talking about the same track bar. It has a 2.5" JJ that mounts to the stock track bar bracket in single shear just like all Currie and JKS track bars ever have.

Currie can say whatever they want. But as you've seen, that track bar will require more bump stop than the stock track bar or the MC track bar to prevent contact. It's a damn good track bar but there's nothing you can do about the sheer size of a 2.5" JJ. I've run a JKS then a 9120 for the past 4 years so I'm very familiar with it, especially on low setups.

Rokmen rigs don't have much up travel. If you're ever around one that uses stock mounts, go take a look at the bump stops. I'm not saying that's good or bad, it is what it is. I prefer more up travel and the Currie track bar doesn't allow as much as other options. You can gain a little more with moving the axle back but your upper limit is still going to be the track bar against the diff cover.

If you'd like to move your upper limit further up, you'll have to go another option. Since you've already drilled out the frame mount, stock is out of the question unless you come up with a tapered spacer. MC is your only option if you feel that you need more up travel. It allowed me to gain a full 1" of up travel and moved my upper limit from the track bar/diff cover to the maximum limit--the upper link mount tab against the AC compressor.

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He may have issues with the MC TB being too long. I think it's even a scosh too long for my 2.5" lift.

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He may have issues with the MC TB being too long. I think it's even a scosh too long for my 2.5" lift.
Already mentioned that.

Personally, I'd just go up. I'm all for low rigs but with the wheelbase and big butt of the LJ, it makes more sense to be in the 3-4" range.

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Personally, I'd just go up. I'm all for low rigs but with the wheelbase and big butt of the LJ, it makes more sense to be in the 3-4" range.
My thoughts exactly...if anything stretch the rear 4'' and reduce some of that over hang.

I'm toying with the idea of ditching the Currie arms for either the RockKrawler 4'' Long Arm Stretch or just going with the Poly Perf 3/4 Link upgrades this winter or later next year.

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Well, I am not going any higher without seeing some serious problems with performance on the trail. Which means the goal is to get this thing to the trail in a condition that it can wheel and hopefully take me home afterwards.

I lower the jeep as a response to the areas that I wheel in around where I live. I was experiencing a lot of leaning on off camber stuff and "suspension unloading" on a lot of hill climbs and decents. If you think this is the wrong idea, please keep it to yourself. I try not to attack anyone in their build thread even if you idea is stupid, I ask you do the same thing. I am not trying to make a jeep do something it was create not to do, ie drive to work and drive offroad. I am just trying to build it for me for where I wheel. I am using bolt on parts. I am not cutting everything out and creating everything custom. I am not to that level yet. I apologize if I don't know the definition of every technical term, but I guarantee that I will google it and learn when someone says "you need to look at your what-cha-do-hicky" Also, I was getting terrible gas mileage on the highway and terrible ride quality. I dont know if the lowering will help with gas mileage or not but I wanted to try to see if it would effect it. And I will report back if it helps. I am glad for this forum and many others (jeep and non-jeep) but I also find the need to explore something for myself. Sometimes it is a great thing, sometimes not so much.

About the rear stretch, I have never seen a reason for this on MY jeep. I have never been too caught up on the rear while riding or had it rubbed hard enough to stop my wheeling to see a need to address that on my jeep. The rear bumper is boxed and flows all the way to the rear wheel openings which has allowed my tub to still be nice when it does get hit offroad. I think, if I am to low, I will just be dragged along the stock gas tank skid/bumper, so not really worried about that area either, right now. If there is something else that happens after some trail time, then that will get addressed also. (more than anything, I can't wait to have a savvy gts skid back there, I have had two used deals fall threw since I started changing the LJ around a couple months ago).

The front approach angle is where I have had the problems in the past which is why I was hoping to address it during this process. I did not plan on a stretch or anything like this a couple months ago, but I thought it would be something I could take care of when the problem presented itself. I still may be once I get under the jeep later this week if I can't dial everything back like it has been mention above.

Sorry to rant. And I really appreciate all that help everyone has given to this point and in the future.

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Looking at your pictures again, your diff looks severely rotated forward (pinion too high). I'd take the recommendation from earlier and shorten the uppers. You'll gain some caster and will probably gain some clearance.

Also, the JJ gusset can be ground down quite a bit if it's hitting.

Out of curiosity--with the Jeep on flat ground, put an angle finder on one of the round flat spots on either side of the front diff cover. What's it read?

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Looking at your pictures again, your diff looks severely rotated forward (pinion too high). I'd take the recommendation from earlier and shorten the uppers. You'll gain some caster and will probably gain some clearance.

Also, the JJ gusset can be ground down quite a bit if it's hitting.

Out of curiosity--with the Jeep on flat ground, put an angle finder on one of the round flat spots on either side of the front diff cover. What's it read?
I would guess by looking at his pictures way way to high. Approximately 14 degree or more.
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Well, I am not going any higher without seeing some serious problems with performance on the trail. Which means the goal is to get this thing to the trail in a condition that it can wheel and hopefully take me home afterwards.

I lower the jeep as a response to the areas that I wheel in around where I live. I was experiencing a lot of leaning on off camber stuff and "suspension unloading" on a lot of hill climbs and decents. If you think this is the wrong idea, please keep it to yourself. I try not to attack anyone in their build thread even if you idea is stupid, I ask you do the same thing. I am not trying to make a jeep do something it was create not to do, ie drive to work and drive offroad. I am just trying to build it for me for where I wheel. I am using bolt on parts. I am not cutting everything out and creating everything custom. I am not to that level yet. I apologize if I don't know the definition of every technical term, but I guarantee that I will google it and learn when someone says "you need to look at your what-cha-do-hicky" Also, I was getting terrible gas mileage on the highway and terrible ride quality. I dont know if the lowering will help with gas mileage or not but I wanted to try to see if it would effect it. And I will report back if it helps. I am glad for this forum and many others (jeep and non-jeep) but I also find the need to explore something for myself. Sometimes it is a great thing, sometimes not so much.

About the rear stretch, I have never seen a reason for this on MY jeep. I have never been too caught up on the rear while riding or had it rubbed hard enough to stop my wheeling to see a need to address that on my jeep. The rear bumper is boxed and flows all the way to the rear wheel openings which has allowed my tub to still be nice when it does get hit offroad. I think, if I am to low, I will just be dragged along the stock gas tank skid/bumper, so not really worried about that area either, right now. If there is something else that happens after some trail time, then that will get addressed also. (more than anything, I can't wait to have a savvy gts skid back there, I have had two used deals fall threw since I started changing the LJ around a couple months ago).

The front approach angle is where I have had the problems in the past which is why I was hoping to address it during this process. I did not plan on a stretch or anything like this a couple months ago, but I thought it would be something I could take care of when the problem presented itself. I still may be once I get under the jeep later this week if I can't dial everything back like it has been mention above.

Sorry to rant. And I really appreciate all that help everyone has given to this point and in the future.
Good enough reasons for me. Keep up the progress.

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Not those spots......

The flat round spots on the sides of the diff cover. Not top and bottom......

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post #1049 of Old 08-21-2013, 11:11 AM
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My front pinion angle is 4. Just for reference. And just by looking at that side shot with the driveshaft.... pinion angle is high brother. Drop it down.
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Yea Mike, that looks way to high. You only have probably 2" of lift at the Tcase from the tummy tuck, so you probably don't need much from stock angle, if any.
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