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post #1 of 40 Old 03-11-2017, 09:56 AM Thread Starter
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GIJeepN: Tons, 40's, and Stretch

Thought I ought to start one of these new-fangled build threads to document GIJeepN's transformation from mild-wheeler to.... well something else. lol

The plan is to give GIJeepN (my 1997 Jeep Wrangler Sport) some much needed upgrades and breathe some new life into her.

This includes:
Dana 60 front from a 2008 F350 w/ 5.38:1 gears and an ARB Air Locker 10.5"
Rear from a 2009 F350 w/ 5.38:1 gears and either a Detroit or ARB Locker
Fox 2.5" 14" Air Shocks
Klune-V under drive unit with 2.72:1 low range
40x13.50-17 TSL/SXII Tires on ProComp wheels with Staun internal beadlocks
3-4" or more front stretch
5-7" or more rear stretch
Full Hydraulic steering

What she looks like now. 35" Mickey Thompson Baja Claw tires, Dana 30 front axle with 4.56:1 gears and an ARB Locker, Dana 44 rear axle with 4.56:1 gears with a Detroit Locker, 4.5" lift provided by ProCom springs and rough country long arm upgrade kit, 4:1 low range with slip yoke eliminator kit, York on-board air system.


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Removing all the brackets from the front axle



Test fitting the truss (Artec TJ 1Ton truss kit)



Welding the truss. I used an Eastwood MIG250 with .035" solid wire and C25 mix gas for the welding of the truss to the tubes and a Lotus 200amp TIG/Stick/Plasma with the Ni99 rods and an Air Hammer for the welding to the cast.




Welding axle tubes.




Got a shipment of new stuff on Friday.

4ea 40x13.50-17 TSL/SXII


I was originally going to go with the 47" LTB's but decided to save the 800 dollars (difference in tires) and put that toward the steering system.



They measure out at just under 38" unmounted and just under 40" tall (like 39 7/8") mounted with 65psig in them.

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post #2 of 40 Old 03-11-2017, 09:58 AM Thread Starter
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Last weekend was all about getting two tires mounted. I called 4 places on Saturday to get them mounted, three of them told me they couldn't do it due to their equipment being too small, and one told me they could do it, but not until Thursday of this week.

So, I called up and old high school buddy of mine (Paul, he owns R&R Auto and Marine in Chino, Ca) and asked if his shop could mount the tires. He told me to come on down and he'd get it done. Should have called him sooner. :grinpimp:.

2 hours later I was at home with two tires mounted and working on getting the other two rims modified to use the Staun Internal Beadlocks.

I mounted up the Staun's with out the tires on them to see if the tubes held air and that everything would work out correctly and checked them on Saturday
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Why air shocks? Not a good option IMO. Personally, I'd be thinking at least the remote reservoirs for a build like this, but if not then just the smooth bodys.

What width are you running the axles at?
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I went with Air Shocks because they were cheap. If at a later date I find they aren't working out for my weekend wheeling I'll upgrade to coil overs. The air shocks were 200 for the set.

I'm running the axles full width.

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I went with Air Shocks because they were cheap. If at a later date I find they aren't working out for my weekend wheeling I'll upgrade to coil overs. The air shocks were 200 for the set.

I'm running the axles full width.

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That is cheap for the shocks. Good luck with them. For trail only, go slow they might be tolerable. But for any sort of speed I doubt you'll be happy.
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I am on the downward slope of finishing my Artec 1 ton swap and stretch. I have kept a pretty good build thread. Just ask if you have any questions.
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The airshocks in 2.5s will surprise you. We run quad bypass airs on the front of our 4800 car.

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For trail only, go slow they might be tolerable
I'm building this to go slow. Right now I have planned the 5.36:1 gears (although I will most likely be using the 4.30's that came in the axles for a bit), with the 4.0 Low range gears and a Klune-V under drive of 2.72:1 I'm looking at a 224:1 crawl ratio. If I had the funds I would pony up for an Atlas box with super low gears. lol

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I am on the downward slope of finishing my Artec 1 ton swap and stretch. I have kept a pretty good build thread. Just ask if you have any questions
I've been following your progress, You are really making it look easy. So I will be hitting you up when the time comes.

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The airshocks in 2.5s will surprise you. We run quad bypass airs on the front of our 4800 car.
I'm hoping so. I'm also debating on adding a reservoir to them but I'm not sure if I want to pony up the funds.

So on to the updates.

Due to the heat (it was 108 here this weekend) I didn't want to be outside welding so I stayed in the barn and worked on modifying the rims.

I installed the Staun Inner Airlocks and want to use some "7241 Series B Interchange" Quick Disconnects. These will allow VERY rapid air ups and downs of the tires.

Unfortunately, I am going to have to drill another hole for them because of where the valve stem currently located is too close to where the Weld-In Beadlocks ring will go. So I will have three valve stems (1ea for the Staun Inner tube, 1ea for the Quick Disconnect, and 1ea regular tire valve stem). lol.

I'm almost at the point that I can purchase the Steering System. I'm looking at getting the TJ PSC 2.75" kit from Artec Industries with their Dana 60 ram mount. The only issue is whether or not I should wait and get the High Steer Knuckles or get the high steer kit from Hired Gun Offroad. I like the knuckle option as it will most likely be a stronger option, however, it is quite a bit more expensive.
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Well, I haven't gotten much done on GIJeepN in the last few weeks. I got some Weld-On beadlocks ordered from AtoZ Fabrication that will be here on the 25th So, I need to get the tires dismounted so I can modify the two remaining wheels for the Staun Internal Beadlock then set them up for welding on the outer beadlock.

on the axles, I still need the steering system and ram mount (should have enough for them next month). We'll see.

One question I have is how much should I sell the current axles and wheel/tires for?

Rear Axle: Stock D44 with a Detriot Locker and 4.56:1 gears
Front Axle: Stock D30 with an ARB Locker 4.56:1 gears and new shafts and unit bearings
Tires: 5ea 35x12.5-15 Mickey Thompson Baja Claws (1ea New (purchased in Oct 2016 after running Sledge Hammer), 1ea with 1 run on it (purchased last summer and ram Sledge Hammer with it), and 3ea 7 years old))
Wheels: 15x10 32 bolt Eaton Beadlocks
Currie CorrectLynk Steering with a slightly bent draglink

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Following. For the Air shocks, you may wanna consider 2.0s instead of the 2.5s. TJs just don't have the mass for the larger shocks. IM running 2.0 and they re more then enough

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Following. For the Air shocks, you may wanna consider 2.0s instead of the 2.5s. TJs just don't have the mass for the larger shocks. IM running 2.0 and they re more then enough
There were two factors that went into me getting the 2.5's over the 2.0's

First: Fox 2.0 Air Shocks are rated at 500lbs of weight. My Jeep is 4400lbs ready for the trail. Minus the axles, tires and wheels and you come up with roughly 3500lbs unsprung weight. Plus my build plan is going to add Full Corner guards, Tube Fenders, and a Full Weld in cage that will add weight to GIJeepN, so that pointed me at the Fox 2.5's or Sway-A-Way 2.0's (Sway-A-Way 2.0's are rated at 1000lbs).

Second: I got one hell of a deal buying the Fox 2.5's used. They just needed Schrader Valves.

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2.0s aren't near enough air shock for a TJ. Or any full bodied rig.

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2.0s aren't near enough air shock for a TJ. Or any full bodied rig.

For ballin through the desert? No… Id want something stronger. But crawlers, everyone I know all over the NE runs 2.0s. One guy runs 18" 2.5s but thats on a FS Chevy/toda buggy. Ive only seen 1 2.0 bend but that was due to link brackets failing and the axle folding under the Jeep.

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2.0s aren't near enough air shock for a TJ. Or any full bodied rig.
For a offroad rig 2.0's work great for me and several other rigs I wheel with. For anything seeing speed or street use yes I agree 2.5's are they way to go.


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For a offroad rig 2.0's work great for me and several other rigs I wheel with. For anything seeing speed or street use yes I agree 2.5's are they way to go.


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Not to derail this thread, but how can a shock not be good on the street, where there are no bumps, yet be good offroad?

You have to run them at max oil and very high pressure to get any performance out of them. They just don't have enough displacement internally for the weight.

They are inexpensive, I get it, but you can't tell me they are great performers in any way. Those who run them on heavy crawlers that say they are great, have not ran 2.5s before.

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