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Unread 02-24-2012, 09:35 PM   #151
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Unread 02-25-2012, 08:29 PM   #152
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Solid decision on the winch...the Smittybilt ones are junk. Neat build by the way, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
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Unread 02-26-2012, 04:02 PM   #153
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No kiddin, thing is beefy!

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Solid decision on the winch...the Smittybilt ones are junk. Neat build by the way, I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Thanks and yea, I've seen the Smittybilt winches in action and they honestly seem to work well. Friends that have them like them but have noted that some of the moving parts are made rather flimsy which was my biggest reason for going with the M8000. I'd rather something be stout, after all, if I'm gonna drop 500+$ on something I want it to look nice and last.


On a separate note I began my clutch swap today. Kinda wish I had space in the garage because as luck would have it, it began raining lightly and made it so I had to call it a day a bit earlier than I wanted. Also removed my rear driver side corner.

Gonna sand blast all my armor and have it all bed lined. I was half expecting some major rust behind them but was surprised to see none, but the armor itself (cheap *** smitty coating) is rusting a good bit in spots where that **** just chips away.

Will take it all down to bare metal once I get the clutch done which by the looks of the current forecast, may be a few days.... d'oh!

Am half debating getting a quote from Rhino to see how much they'd charge me to double layer it....
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Unread 02-26-2012, 04:30 PM   #154
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Am half debating getting a quote from Rhino to see how much they'd charge me to double layer it....
Honestly I would get some canned duplicolor bedliner. The stuff is awesome. I had it on my sliders all winter, nothing even phased it except a few rocks in Moab. If you go this route touch ups are easy to match.

Also I'm looking into Kuhmos now. I didn't know their prices were so low for such beefy rubber. Thanks for the heads up man.
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Unread 02-26-2012, 05:13 PM   #155
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Honestly I would get some canned duplicolor bedliner. The stuff is awesome. I had it on my sliders all winter, nothing even phased it except a few rocks in Moab. If you go this route touch ups are easy to match.

Also I'm looking into Kuhmos now. I didn't know their prices were so low for such beefy rubber. Thanks for the heads up man.
Rock on! They're definitely worthy tires IMO.

As far as the duplicolor goes, I use it on certain parts ie.) my tie rod & drag link but for my armor I want something a bit beefier. I may bed line it myself via monstaliner, but otherwise the rhino lining is pure awesome. Expensive... but awesome. Essentially I want something I can beat on and 1. not have to worry about touching it up and 2. not have to remove it at a later date for fear of rust building up under/behind it.

Thanks for the advice though!
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Unread 02-27-2012, 09:16 AM   #156
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So... Quick disclaimer but the following story is going to be slightly ridden with foul language. Thankfully JF has a built in censor...

So on Saturday I'm sitting inside while it rains, waiting for the weather to clear up so I can begin work on my clutch swap as well as to start removing my armor for bed-lining, when I hear the doorbell ring. Funny, I wasn't expecting any visitors or UPS packages? Who could this be?

I walk towards the front door and see a heavier, older man standing outside. He has the very "Texas Sheriff" look, minus the badges, gun, and if you included a brownish suit jacket with alligator boots. So perhaps closer to the used care salesman look.

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Anyways, I continue to the door and open it only to realize my Jeep is lifted up on the back of one of these hydraulic mechanisms attached to a 3500 series Silverado. At this point I realize what's going on.... My Jeep is being REPO'd!

For a bit of background info. I paid my Jeep off November of 2010. I subsequently battled the Credit Union for the next year as they had apparently misplaced my title. It took them until October 2011 to call me and say hey, we found it! (Which explains the temp. tags in most of my pictures for the span of the last year and a half.) It then took them until the end of January to actually MAIL the damn thing to me. I LITERALLY just got the new Louisiana title in the mail this past Thursday.

Anyhow, the first thing I say to this older gentlemen is very simply, "What the ****?!"

As you can imagine, seeing someone try to REPO something you OWN in full, and have the title and paperwork to prove it, sent me into a complete rampage. He continually tried to speak and explain to me, and every time I simply cut him off saying something to the effect of "No, **** you, I don't care, put my ****ing Jeep back on the ground." After going back and forth for a few minutes, I went back inside to grab my title for proof that I owned the vehicle and that it WAS in fact in my name.

Upon returning and showing aforementioned gentleman (let's call him Joe for now...) my title, Joe decides that this could be fraudulent and that my title isn't enough proof. He goes on to tell me that people acquire their titles illegally all the time.

Apparently Joe thinks my featherweight spindley, beanstalk build of a man is capable of breaking into a credit union, taking out the guards and stealing my title back without getting caught.


We go back and forth repeatedly for a while and finally I say, let me see the paperwork. Joe obviously thought I was going to rip it to shreds so he refused to actually let me hold it (and therefore I couldn't actually turn pages on it.) but there was no DATE of the information he had, and thus there's no telling how old it was, never mind the fact that I never went behind on a payment. I could however see an amount owed cited as being roughly 6750$. The only date I can see is the date Joe printed this information out which is listed on the very top in fine print as February 23, 2012.

After arguing repeatedly, I very "politely" say to Joe "**** you, I'm calling the police, this is grand theft."

The police came and after reviewing my paperwork deemed the vehicle as being under complete ownership of one Kenneth Morse. In short, they told Joe to set the vehicle down and get ****ed, as he had absolutely no grounds to leave the property with my Jeep. Joe left, and all was well in the world again, allowing me to get to work on the Jeep....

Fast forward to today (Monday.) I call my CU and ask them "What the **** is going on?" Apparently the dip ****s, yes, the same **** tards that took 3 months to MAIL a title to me, and prior to that took 11 months just to ****ing find the thing, "forgot" to close the account when I paid it off. They informed me there should be no more issues and all should be well. The apologized up and down etc... So all is taken care of and good... But I still can't help but think....

What if Joe had come and hooked up to my Jeep, knocked on the door and WHOOPS, nobody is home! Joe leaves the paperwork and leaves with my Jeep... Joe would have called the CU this morning to have the CU say "uhh the debtor paid that account off in November 2010, the title has been released to the debtor.." and Joe would have likely **** his pants on the spot for now being in possession of a vehicle that had been reported stolen a few days prior.

Joe would no realize "Oh ****, I've literally just committed grand theft auto..." and then I have to wonder what he would have done? Would he have admitted guilt and brought it back to me and said sorry, my mistake, how can I make it right? Or would Joe have tried to wash his hands of it and dumped it in a river somewhere? I'm truly amazed that someone can **** up so badly as to damn near accidentally steal a vehicle, and frankly it's a bit scary to me...

My greatest fear is coming outside one morning only to see my Jeep has been stolen, as I've poured relentless dollars and hours into making her what she currently is (from stock mind you) and very simply, I would be absolutely devastated to see all my time, fun, and money simply disappear at the drop of a hat...

Let the questions/comments fly...

I may post this in G&D as well, just to see what sort of response I can get out of it, as this is all truly mind boggling to me.
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Unread 02-27-2012, 11:40 AM   #157
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May I say simply....wow. I've enjoyed reading through your build thread and the thought that someone could have just taken your rig out of your driveway breaks even my heart and I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!! Let me just say that I applaud your ability to keep your confrontation with "joe" at the verbal level, I on the other hand am a smaller man than you and most likely would not have been able to control myself at the sight of MY possessions being stolen. And an after thought, I wonder if you could have insisted that "joe" be arrested by the police officer on the grounds that, bottom line he attempted to steal your jeep. Food for thought I suppose
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Unread 02-27-2012, 03:50 PM   #158
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May I say simply....wow. I've enjoyed reading through your build thread and the thought that someone could have just taken your rig out of your driveway breaks even my heart and I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU!! Let me just say that I applaud your ability to keep your confrontation with "joe" at the verbal level, I on the other hand am a smaller man than you and most likely would not have been able to control myself at the sight of MY possessions being stolen. And an after thought, I wonder if you could have insisted that "joe" be arrested by the police officer on the grounds that, bottom line he attempted to steal your jeep. Food for thought I suppose
Haha well thanks for that. Honestly I don't think there were any grounds to arrest him, as despite there being no current validity to the information he had, it was however still validated through the credit union's mistake. Personally, despite the conflict with the guy, I wish no ill will on him as I myself have a friend that is a REPO man and I've been with him on a few jobs before.

Repossessing anything is not a fun task as everyone approaches hard times in their life at one point or another. Having said that, without repo men we'd all be up to our necks in debt that didn't even belong to us, as we'd have to pay off all the **** that every other ******* decides not to pay for.

Thanks for reading!

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Unread 02-27-2012, 04:31 PM   #159
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Woah.... so glad you were there to rescue it.
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Unread 02-27-2012, 06:08 PM   #160
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that is crazy, good to hear u got ur jeep back. I think (Joe) owes u an apologie also because that could have went bad for him if u did not call the cops when u did.
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Unread 02-28-2012, 06:21 AM   #161
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Woah.... so glad you were there to rescue it.
No kiddin'. As you can imagine, seeing your blood sweat and tears being seized by someone under any circumstance (let alone under invalid circumstances) is a bit more than a shock.

I'm just glad I handled it the way I did and didn't go TOO crazy. When I grabbed my title I could have just as easily grabbed my gun, or anything else and I can imagine there are a number of people that would have done both. I ultimately had the mindset, though, that if he was reluctant I'd simply call the police (which I ended up having to do, mind you) as legally, there was nothing he could do.

If my title had been a bit later in the mail though..... that really could have added just an extra layer of bull**** to the whole fiasco lol

sidenote: looks like rain through Friday. Damnit! I've only got through next weekend to wrap up the clutch, after that I fly back out for work. Hopefully the weekend after that will be clear though.... fingers crossed.
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Unread 02-29-2012, 11:41 AM   #162
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are you going to press charges over this misterminor?? may mean extra money for you!!
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Unread 02-29-2012, 05:40 PM   #163
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are you going to press charges over this misterminor?? may mean extra money for you!!
No crimes were committed. He didn't leave my property with the Jeep because I was about ready to stick a boot up his ***. Also helped that I called the police who straightened things out, or rather, reinforced the point that I owned the vehicle and he was basically SOL.
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Unread 02-29-2012, 06:49 PM   #164
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I went through your build. Funny as I am using the same rear and planning on metal cloak fronts. I just do not want to lift it 4" as I want the CG low.

Poor Joe was screwed by the CU. The CU was liable for giving him false paperwork. I have looked into repoing and it is a tough business, everything you wre telling him he gets from the people who really did quit paying.
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Unread 02-29-2012, 07:27 PM   #165
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I went through your build. Funny as I am using the same rear and planning on metal cloak fronts. I just do not want to lift it 4" as I want the CG low.

Poor Joe was screwed by the CU. The CU was liable for giving him false paperwork. I have looked into repoing and it is a tough business, everything you wre telling him he gets from the people who really did quit paying.
^ very true

As for COG, it's really just personal preference. I had originally wanted to go 2 1/2" of lift for the same reason but honestly, with the extra things you have to do and the downfalls of 2 1/2" of lift with 35s it's really not worth it. Ultimately I decided 4" of pure suspension would be far more reliable both on and offroad and it really is.

I could have made it all fit with the 2 1/2" OME kit, Rokmen/Currie/Savvy upper and lower adjustables, SYE, Metalcloaks and corners but to be honest I wouldn't have anywhere NEAR the amount of uptravel and articulation that i have right now. I would get off camber much quicker and end up having the body tip significantly more in technical rock gardens (especially where I like to play, Colorado, Utah, and California.) which ultimately would just cause me to be more unstable than I am at 4" of lift with the anti-rock swaybars.

Not once have I regretted changing my mind and going with 4" of suspension, though I'll still be installing a TT, Engine/tranny skid, tank skid etc. to flatten out the bottom and grant me some extra belly clearance.

As for how it sits now though, she's rigid enough in the turns that I never feel uneasy. Even at high speed on I-70 running around bends I feel confident in the stance. The Currie Progressive rate springs are awesome. Oddly I keep my RS9000XL shocks at their lowest setting and also have the anti rock set at it's softest setting but it all feels beautiful (for a Jeep) on the highway.

Just make sure you do plenty of research before selling yourself on the idea of anything under 3-4" as there really is a lot of "extra" you need to do for it to be "proper."



On another note, clutch swap is near completion... has been progressing slowly due to the crap weather we've had as of late but just gotta line the transmission back up and bolt everything back together and she'll be back on the road.

Winch plate arrives tomorrow so weather pending, I can set it up Friday.
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