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Unread 03-21-2014, 06:28 PM   #1186
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Also I would not cut up your current Jeep. Provided you want to race stock mod I would hunt down a salvage frame and partial tub All you want from the frame is from the motor mounts back to where the rear control arms attach. For the tub you want a straight firewall and sides to just past the door opening. Everything else tube work and aluminum sheetmetal for floor, tunnel and what not. Essentially you want to built a mostly tube buggy that resembles a TJ, CJ or whatever. Gives you less built constraints and saves a ton of weight. Less, weight means less power needed to go fast.

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Unread 03-21-2014, 07:07 PM   #1187
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Also I would not cut up your current Jeep. Provided you want to race stock mod I would hunt down a salvage frame and partial tub
This is excellent advice if you are considering Mod class. The builds are getting out of hand in a hurry. To be competitive you would have to cut it up till there is nothing really left except half the frame and a few pieces of sheet metal anyway and you have a nice, clean wheeling Jeep right now.
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Unread 03-21-2014, 07:54 PM   #1188
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My only advise is to ask yourself if you have that much extra money. When I factored in my kids expenses for high school, a couple mild vacations we take, normal wheeling trips, and general luxuries we are able to enjoy...... It would all have to go bye bye in order to build the race jeep. That just tells me the timing isn't right.
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Unread 03-21-2014, 08:32 PM   #1189
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Most people estimate $5k to $7k for the parts needed just to pass Ultra4 tech inspection (not race, but tech).

Stock is BY FAR the most economical way to go-
Cage
Fuel system
Shocks
Coils
Seats
Harnesses
Belts
GPS
Pumpers
Motor mounts
Axles
Sway bars
Helmet
safety restraints
Race suit
Radios
Tuning
Spare tires
Lights
Helmet comm system
Recovery gear, tools
Spares
Control arms (suitable for racing)
Belly armor
Airbumps


Mod Class is a lot of the same, but then you get into suspension (C/As), Coilovers, bypasses, transfer cases, engine swaps, etc.



Then budget $6k to $10k just to compete in the KOH EMC if you are East Coast (depending on how big your entourage is ).


I'd start seeing what you can source and what is worth saving for new. Similar to Art, I sold everything attached to my jeep to help offset the cost of a lot of the new parts. I'm sure I left a ton off of that list, but it's a decent start.

I'd love to see your jeep out there!
I think I had most of that stuff on my list. I would definitely be hitting the pirate classifieds hard for anything I could. Some of the stuff on that list I already have done, cage, I'd probably have to make a few tweaks to meet rules, but nothing major, seats, belts.

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Also I would not cut up your current Jeep. Provided you want to race stock mod I would hunt down a salvage frame and partial tub All you want from the frame is from the motor mounts back to where the rear control arms attach. For the tub you want a straight firewall and sides to just past the door opening. Everything else tube work and aluminum sheetmetal for floor, tunnel and what not. Essentially you want to built a mostly tube buggy that resembles a TJ, CJ or whatever. Gives you less built constraints and saves a ton of weight. Less, weight means less power needed to go fast.
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This is excellent advice if you are considering Mod class. The builds are getting out of hand in a hurry. To be competitive you would have to cut it up till there is nothing really left except half the frame and a few pieces of sheet metal anyway and you have a nice, clean wheeling Jeep right now.
If I had a shop or garage large enough to set a chassis up & work on it over a year or more, I might go that route. However, I see HurleyGo as the perfect example of what I think the EMC should be, so I'd like to keep most of the frame & tub. A lot of the things I would need to do to race, I want to do to the rig for everyday wheeling anyway, 4 link, 3 link, front axle, 37s.

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My only advise is to ask yourself if you have that much extra money. When I factored in my kids expenses for high school, a couple mild vacations we take, normal wheeling trips, and general luxuries we are able to enjoy...... It would all have to go bye bye in order to build the race jeep. That just tells me the timing isn't right.
I hear you. We should have all our debt paid off this fall, so that should free up some cash to work towards this. My plan is within 5 years, so even if it took me 5, that'd be $4-$5 grand per year to get there. That's reasonably doable.

I'll post what I had for a list in a few.
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Unread 03-21-2014, 08:49 PM   #1190
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Here is what I had figured to put together a first year racer. Obviously we'd strengthen weak links & upgrade other things for the second year.

Front axle, Fab 9" = $6,000
Chromo the 8.8 superior c-clip eliminator kit, should be ok for first year, add fab 9" second year = $600
Fuel cell, dual internal pumps, walbro pick ups, baffles, etc. = $1,500
PSC Hydro assist full kit = $1,800
Borgeson steering shafts = $600
3 link, 4 link, stretch = $1,500
2.5" coilovers, add bypass second year = $3,000
Air bumps = $1,000
Beadlocks = $1,500
Tires = $2,000
Freshen drivetrain = $2,000

Total = $19,500 I'd honestly be happy just getting it here to wheel it hard, racing would be a plus.

Race specific equipment
GPS = $800
Intercom = $1,000
Air Pumpers = $400
Suit = $300
Helmet = $500

Total = $3,000

Obviously a lot of small stuff I'm forgetting or leaving out that will add up quick. I can see all that doable in 3 years.
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Unread 03-21-2014, 09:40 PM   #1191
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I think I had most of that stuff on my list. I would definitely be hitting the pirate classifieds hard for anything I could. Some of the stuff on that list I already have done, cage, I'd probably have to make a few tweaks to meet rules, but nothing major, seats, belts.





If I had a shop or garage large enough to set a chassis up & work on it over a year or more, I might go that route. However, I see HurleyGo as the perfect example of what I think the EMC should be, so I'd like to keep most of the frame & tub. A lot of the things I would need to do to race, I want to do to the rig for everyday wheeling anyway, 4 link, 3 link, front axle, 37s.



I hear you. We should have all our debt paid off this fall, so that should free up some cash to work towards this. My plan is within 5 years, so even if it took me 5, that'd be $4-$5 grand per year to get there. That's reasonably doable.

I'll post what I had for a list in a few.

Also do not forget that wifey doesn't necessarily likes being a Jeep widow.
These things take tons and tons of time to build which is wy it's better to built a second vehicle. So you can go wheeling in the mean time, do not have to rush anything. built the frame and tub, then do parts of the drivetrain as money allows.
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Unread 03-22-2014, 06:58 AM   #1192
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I had a couple spare minutes to look over the rig from last weekends trip. Found some minor carnage.

Must have hit a rock right on the TRE locking clamp & spun it into my stabilizer...again! It actually punctured the can this time. It's normally pointing straight down. I'm thinking of relocating the stabilizer to somewhere less vulnerable. Like I said this has happened before & I can see it happening again & at $50 a pop for a new stabilizer it's not something I want to continue to happen. I'm not a big fan of those clamps on that tie rod. They are difficult to get tight. I can crank them way down, but still easily turn the tie rod with a pipe wrench. I wonder if I could cut a couple more pinch slots in the tie rod to help it clamp down better. Any thoughts on relocation or the pinch slots?



I also ran into a damn tree. Wasn't paying attention. I wasn't going 50, but we were rolling through some tight trails pretty quick. I hit it hard enough for the bark to be stuck there for a week. All it did was scuff some paint off.


Also realized I never posted picks of the skid system with the engine skid mounted up. I still need to add the oil access panel.

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Unread 03-22-2014, 07:52 AM   #1193
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Nice carnage pictures, and even nicer images of the engine skid! Well done on both counts!

Also, on the race-rig topic: Don't forget that the budget has to include inevitable mistakes and repairs, because getting all of it "right" the first time probably won't happen. Putting all of this onto a 5-year schedule makes it far more do-able than it would be if you were trying to complete the task in a year, though, but I have to agree with the notion of getting a cheap second chassis and working from there; it not only allows you to build a better, more competitive rig from the get-go, but it also makes your 5-or-more year timeline much more do-able. I know there are obstacles with that plan, but I think it's well worth considering.
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Unread 03-23-2014, 09:30 AM   #1194
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Also do not forget that wifey doesn't necessarily likes being a Jeep widow.
My wife HATES being a Jeep Widow.
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Unread 03-31-2014, 07:05 AM   #1195
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Going to be a few parts going up for sale soon.

Front upper Currie arms.
Currie JJ front axle housing kit if I can get it all out ok.
Savvy AL lower arms. Arms only, reusing the joints.
Savvy AL double adjustable rear uppers.
Rear Lower arms. Arms only, reusing joints. 2"x1/4" wall DOM double adjustable.
Savvy GTS (may already be spoken for).
Riddler Ford 8.8 diff cover.
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Unread 03-31-2014, 02:08 PM   #1196
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I'm driving through Indy on the 6th then again on the 12th of April.. Not sure that I have room but just saying.
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Unread 03-31-2014, 04:47 PM   #1197
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I'm driving through Indy on the 6th then again on the 12th of April.. Not sure that I have room but just saying.
Don't think I'll have the cell ready by then.
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Unread 03-31-2014, 07:55 PM   #1198
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Going to be a few parts going up for sale soon.

Front upper Currie arms.
Currie JJ front axle housing kit if I can get it all out ok.
Savvy AL lower arms. Arms only, reusing the joints.
Savvy AL double adjustable rear uppers.
Rear Lower arms. Arms only, reusing joints. 2"x1/4" wall DOM double adjustable.
Savvy GTS (may already be spoken for).
Riddler Ford 8.8 diff cover.
Thats a lot of good parts ! What are you replacing it all with ?
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Thats a lot of good parts ! What are you replacing it all with ?
3 link, 4 link stretch & rci 2162a fuel cell.
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Unread 03-31-2014, 09:24 PM   #1200
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3 link, 4 link stretch & rci 2162a fuel cell.
Uht oh.... Chop chop. And what method are you going to use to stretch????
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