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Unread 12-30-2010, 10:00 PM   #16
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I'm pretty sure it's not possible to go 217 with the original rotor. It wouldnt run.

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Unread 12-30-2010, 11:22 PM   #17
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I'm pretty sure it's not possible to go 217 with the original rotor. It wouldnt run.
Okay, sure. But still. On original plugs and wires is still ridiculous.

Got the sub. amplifier power and signal wires ran underneath the carpet. Just gotta Hookup the ground and power cables to the amp, signal cable to the headunit and back together goes the dash!

Also, Dad bought a boat load o parts. To name a few... platinum plugs, plug wires, tensioner pulley, idler pulley, trans filter/pan gasket, both hatch struts, cv boots for both sides of the d30, the tool for put them on/off, drive belt, all 3 wiper blades, 12 quarts of tranny fluid ($60 right there), distributor cap and rotor and pcv valve and hose.

Let's say I'll be busy tomorrow.
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Unread 12-31-2010, 12:17 AM   #18
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Damn your dad bought all those parts for you?
You have a nice father.
I like your build by the way, I'll be watching it.
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Unread 12-31-2010, 01:25 PM   #19
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Damn your dad bought all those parts for you?
You have a nice father.
I like your build by the way, I'll be watching it.
Yeah. I didn't have a clue it'd be as much as it was. I ordered the PCM on my account so I can feel like I'm contributing something to the cause.
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Unread 01-02-2011, 05:54 PM   #20
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Should say it wasn't getting spun by the belt. It was just slipping the whole time and making a bunch of racket.




















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Unread 01-02-2011, 05:56 PM   #21
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Unread 01-02-2011, 06:51 PM   #22
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lookin good man, bet u cant wait to get her on the road
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Unread 01-03-2011, 09:44 AM   #23
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You gonna swap the 242 into the 5.9 or leave it in the red one? I've heard that a PROPERLY FUNCTIONING 249 is hard to beat in terms of traction, but I've owned two 249's now (90k and 130k) and the VC was toasted in both of them. If you decide to do the swap, it should be a direct swap for both Jeeps.

I just did my 242 swap and am waiting on a new rear shaft from Tom Woods. Haven't got to do the obligatory burnout yet. I like the 242 since I have the option of running it in full time for the snow, part time for all-out traction, or 2WD in the summer when the roads are good.

Which brings up another question - did you ever confirm a mileage increase after the 242 swap on the red one? Unless I am missing something, I wouldn't expect to see any increase at all in mileage, or maybe just a slight (<1/2 mpg) increase. Justification being that unless you have a disconnect front axle, everything that is spinning in 4WD is STILL spinning in 2WD due to the "always-engaged" nature of the unit bearing hubs. The front driveshaft, axleshafts, and everything else is still spinning in two-wheel drive. Only difference is you aren't sending any power down to the front axle, but you still have all the frictional losses associated with 4WD.

Just a thought. If you did indeed see a mileage increase, that would be great. Lord knows I could use it. I average 14.5-15.0 mpg with my 5.9, and 80% of that driving is highway. I have a bunch of engine mods, but most of them should have INCREASED mileage. Haven't changed that cap/rotor/plugs/wires, yet, so maybe that's what I need to do. Just have a hard time believing a simple tune-up is going to get me to 17 mpg, which I guess is where I thought I should be with my Niner.

Sorry if I crapped in your thread...
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Unread 01-03-2011, 04:53 PM   #24
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You gonna swap the 242 into the 5.9 or leave it in the red one? I've heard that a PROPERLY FUNCTIONING 249 is hard to beat in terms of traction, but I've owned two 249's now (90k and 130k) and the VC was toasted in both of them. If you decide to do the swap, it should be a direct swap for both Jeeps.

I just did my 242 swap and am waiting on a new rear shaft from Tom Woods. Haven't got to do the obligatory burnout yet. I like the 242 since I have the option of running it in full time for the snow, part time for all-out traction, or 2WD in the summer when the roads are good.

Which brings up another question - did you ever confirm a mileage increase after the 242 swap on the red one? Unless I am missing something, I wouldn't expect to see any increase at all in mileage, or maybe just a slight (<1/2 mpg) increase. Justification being that unless you have a disconnect front axle, everything that is spinning in 4WD is STILL spinning in 2WD due to the "always-engaged" nature of the unit bearing hubs. The front driveshaft, axleshafts, and everything else is still spinning in two-wheel drive. Only difference is you aren't sending any power down to the front axle, but you still have all the frictional losses associated with 4WD.

Just a thought. If you did indeed see a mileage increase, that would be great. Lord knows I could use it. I average 14.5-15.0 mpg with my 5.9, and 80% of that driving is highway. I have a bunch of engine mods, but most of them should have INCREASED mileage. Haven't changed that cap/rotor/plugs/wires, yet, so maybe that's what I need to do. Just have a hard time believing a simple tune-up is going to get me to 17 mpg, which I guess is where I thought I should be with my Niner.

Sorry if I crapped in your thread...
I'm leaving the 242 in the red ZJ. The small size of the chain scares me, as well as the case having seen better days. (400k miles/19 years). The 249 seems to be fine in the 5.9. I have yet to drive it more than up and down the road, but I think it's okay.

There was a mileage increase. Steering was also much easier as the 242 wasn't putting power to the front axle while turned to lock. I agree, lock-out hubs would truly benefit the mileage. I think where you get the most benefit is when you're turning.

The 5.9 is almost tuned up as we speak. Have to put in the passenger side plug wires, but other than that, everything is fresh. The new PCM, from what I've heard, should make the engine run a bit better itself. I'm excited to see how it runs when everything is fixed.
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Unread 01-04-2011, 12:22 AM   #25
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hey would you sell that extra niner grille you got. The one I got today comes with a crappy black stock one. Your niner is the same color as mine. Let me know if you would sell it, pm me with answer, info all that good stuff. Nice Niner though, I cant wait to build mine up.
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Unread 01-07-2011, 12:58 AM   #26
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Done with work for the week and am getting ready to go back to school. Am having a hell of a time finding a pcv valve grommet. I found a pdf on scribd.com of ALL of the mopar parts numbers and their descriptions for 1998 ZJ. Dad's going to jeep tomorrow, so I'll have him take the part numbers while he gets my keys cut.

It's a bummer I can't take it to school yet, but might as well fix it right the first time.

Also, the resurfaced PCM I bought turned out to not be the problem. When the diagnostic test says to jump a relay and doesn't tell you to take out the jumper, don't take it out. I learned this one the hard(ish) way.

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hey would you sell that extra niner grille you got. The one I got today comes with a crappy black stock one. Your niner is the same color as mine. Let me know if you would sell it, pm me with answer, info all that good stuff. Nice Niner though, I cant wait to build mine up.
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Unread 01-07-2011, 07:56 AM   #27
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Done with work for the week and am getting ready to go back to school. Am having a hell of a time finding a pcv valve grommet. I found a pdf on scribd.com of ALL of the mopar parts numbers and their descriptions for 1998 ZJ. Dad's going to jeep tomorrow, so I'll have him take the part numbers while he gets my keys cut.

It's a bummer I can't take it to school yet, but might as well fix it right the first time.

Also, the resurfaced PCM I bought turned out to not be the problem. When the diagnostic test says to jump a relay and doesn't tell you to take out the jumper, don't take it out. I learned this one the hard(ish) way.
I, too, had problems with finding a PCV grommet. When I went to the cast aluminum Jeep logo valve covers, have fun finding the correct grommet (I've since found out that the grommet was SUPPOSED to be included, but wasn't).

What I wound up doing was just finding a generic PCV grommet off the shelf at like Autozone (I think it was either Spectre brand or Mr. Gasket) and then just try and locate a PCV valve that fits the grommet. There are a million different PCV valves out there and a PCV valve is a PCV valve. Doesn't matter if it wasn't made for the vehicle, they're pretty much all the same. And they have PCV valves in all different sizes.

The grommet didn't fit the greatest (mainly due to the design of the valve covers) so I put some RTV on it before I pushed it in. Hasn't moved since and I'm not pushing any oil out the valve covers so it's working fine.

Just shut the hood and ignore it, you'll be fine, lol.
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Unread 01-07-2011, 09:41 AM   #28
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I, too, had problems with finding a PCV grommet. When I went to the cast aluminum Jeep logo valve covers, have fun finding the correct grommet (I've since found out that the grommet was SUPPOSED to be included, but wasn't).

What I wound up doing was just finding a generic PCV grommet off the shelf at like Autozone (I think it was either Spectre brand or Mr. Gasket) and then just try and locate a PCV valve that fits the grommet. There are a million different PCV valves out there and a PCV valve is a PCV valve. Doesn't matter if it wasn't made for the vehicle, they're pretty much all the same. And they have PCV valves in all different sizes.

The grommet didn't fit the greatest (mainly due to the design of the valve covers) so I put some RTV on it before I pushed it in. Hasn't moved since and I'm not pushing any oil out the valve covers so it's working fine.

Just shut the hood and ignore it, you'll be fine, lol.
Someday, I'll get the aluminum covers. They're expensive (not that expensive) for looks, but it'd be freaking awesome to have. They're sick.

We tried that at Napa, but had not luck. The ones the stores have are the two pieces for the drivers side, oil to air box.
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Unread 01-07-2011, 09:56 AM   #29
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Someday, I'll get the aluminum covers. They're expensive (not that expensive) for looks, but it'd be freaking awesome to have. They're sick.

We tried that at Napa, but had not luck. The ones the stores have are the two pieces for the drivers side, oil to air box.
They can't find you what you need?

I am not talking about asking the parts counter guy to look through his computer for the grommet, I am just talking about going over to their "performance" section over on the walls (you know, by the chrome SBC valve covers and breathers) and finding a grommet there that fits the hole in your valve covers. It may wind up being one for a breather.

At this point, the new grommet's ID might not match up with your PCV valve. NOW you ask the parts guy to look in the back for a PCV valve that fits the inside diameter of your grommet and has a 3/8" nipple on it (preferably 90 degree). Then just take some 3/8" hose and run it from your PCV valve to your manifold.

Make sense?
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Unread 01-13-2011, 12:06 AM   #30
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Someday, I'll get the aluminum covers. They're expensive (not that expensive) for looks, but it'd be freaking awesome to have. They're sick.

We tried that at Napa, but had not luck. The ones the stores have are the two pieces for the drivers side, oil to air box.
I had the same issue, but I got mine from O'reilly auto parts.
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