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post #31 of 47 Old 04-24-2009, 12:05 AM
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anybody use those LED conversion ones in place of HIDs, they sell them on superbrightleds.com, I just cant see how they'd be considered brighter.

And most things you put on your vehicle after you got it, (in California) that weren't stock/oem, are considered aftermarket and thus illegal....but its a very grey area.... i argued my Hella horns in my tuner, and asked the judge if he ever put a locking gas cap on a car...answer Yes. reply, well then your honor, wouldn't that be just as "illegal" as my Hella's? *nods head* Dismissed. (But young man, I don't want to see you in my court again)

The laws are set up to work for the police given the average Joe wont bother fighting them, then there are the few of us (who are enrolled in various police & legal orgs. who know what to say) No...I don't want to be a lawyer....Ive never seen them have any fun, and never ever see any of them owning a jeep!


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are those rampage conversion headlight kits good and are they worth the money?
Are you talking about the MSR ones with the completely clear (non fluted lens)

Quadratec has them for like 89.99

I've used the rectangular ones in my company's super duty, with both HIR and HID h4 bulbs.

HIR was nice. HID didnt give me as good of a cutoff on high beam as I was hoping, so I pulled the HID and went back to HIR.

Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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anybody use those LED conversion ones in place of HIDs, they sell them on superbrightleds.com, I just cant see how they'd be considered brighter.

And most things you put on your vehicle after you got it, (in California) that weren't stock/oem, are considered aftermarket and thus illegal....but its a very grey area.... i argued my Hella horns in my tuner, and asked the judge if he ever put a locking gas cap on a car...answer Yes. reply, well then your honor, wouldn't that be just as "illegal" as my Hella's? *nods head* Dismissed. (But young man, I don't want to see you in my court again)

The laws are set up to work for the police given the average Joe wont bother fighting them, then there are the few of us (who are enrolled in various police & legal orgs. who know what to say) No...I don't want to be a lawyer....Ive never seen them have any fun, and never ever see any of them owning a jeep!

There are NO led HEADLIGHT bulbs. The ones that some places sell in the headlight size, are designed as running lights or city lights. They put out nowhere near as bright as headlights should be, and dont even put out as much light as 35 watt incandescent.

Again, there are NO LED replacement capsules rated for HEADLIGHT use.

Aftermarket LED headlights do exist, and in fact, i'm retrofitting some into a WJ housing. However, they are full LED heads with 10 superflux bulbs and the correct optics.

Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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As for the laws. In most states, the laws are vauge, however, the general idea is, any aftermarket part you put on your vehicle must either meet or exceed the OEM requirement, or as a substitute, must meet a current DOT -or- SAE certification.

Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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There are NO led HEADLIGHT bulbs. The ones that some places sell in the headlight size, are designed as running lights or city lights. They put out nowhere near as bright as headlights should be, and dont even put out as much light as 35 watt incandescent.

Again, there are NO LED replacement capsules rated for HEADLIGHT use.

Aftermarket LED headlights do exist, and in fact, i'm retrofitting some into a WJ housing. However, they are full LED heads with 10 superflux bulbs and the correct optics.
My bad, i just re-read the site, they are DRL, daytime running lights. brain fade....I blame it on the Earthquake and lack of sleep...cant blame it on drugs..never used them...(maybe I should start). good thing the weekend is coming, ill take the jeep out.

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Here you go Madwabbit. another person who is having LED HEadlight thoughts..i didnt even want to step in this one, seems to be your forte.

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f20/what-pros-cons-led-headlights-taillights-etc-760203/

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Thanks for the link. glad to see a review of the LED's up.

As expensive as they are, they really are awesome headlights. We've put several pairs in utility vehicles that we built.

Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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Ok so I'm thinking about putting some HIDs in my stock housing. I am curious if that would be a bad idea? I have a jeep liberty renegade 2002 and want to put them in the renegade light bar. Because of this, they would be for off road use only. HIDs are illegal in my state (I believe) but so isnt the light bar? So as long as I dont use them on public roads, I should be ok as far as laws and inspections?

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HID Lights for Offroad use only are perfectly fine but I suggest you keep the covers on your lights anyways. HIDs in offroad lights look very nice and spread light everywhere. Just dont ever turn them on the road you'd probably cause an accident

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Im not too sure if you've seen the stock liberty renegade light bar. But I dont think there are covers for them available. Even the stock lights are positioned perfectly to 100% blind anyone in front or behind me so I dont use them on any roads with other cars around.

Also, does anyone know a good place to buy HIDs? Im really looking for 55w 6000K

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ddmtuning has great kits search them on google, you need to find out what type of bulb the libby light bar is. Also take into account you need somewhere decently sheltered to mount the ballasts for the HIDs, not sure how much space is behind the bulbs in the liberty bar. There are covers btw I've seen them...

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Putting them up there in the renagade roof bar may cause heat issues due to the small size of the housings, plus you've got somewhere to put the ballasts.
Other then that, like he said, keep them covered while on the road.

Installing HID's in stock housings is bad. Here is why.

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What type of housing should be used to get the correct beam placement from HIDs? I have HIDs in my stock housings right now.

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What type of housing should be used to get the correct beam placement from HIDs? I have HIDs in my stock housings right now.
A projector and nothing BUT a projector should be used for road driving with HID lamps.

Unless the reflector is specifically designed for the length and beam output pattern of the HID bulb, then you need to use a projector.

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