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Unread 04-29-2011, 02:22 PM   #16
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Assuming it's the 1:24000 topo maps, I don't know if the Canadian ones include all the streets and are routeable, but the U.S. ones do. My suggestion is to try it, you'll at least have the topo maps for hiking if you intend to ever go hiking, and if that's not good enough then do the City Navigator. But personally all my 60CSx has on it is the topo maps, and it routes just fine on pavement (I have all of California and Nevada loaded into its little microchip).

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Unread 01-30-2013, 11:53 AM   #17
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Is there a large screen on road GPS that will also do breadcrumbing off road?
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Unread 01-30-2013, 12:15 PM   #18
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(the topo maps work on all of the Garmin products and are *not* locked to a single GPS), and the topo maps had interesting detail on them that was useful for offroading if you're a destination offroader who enjoys visiting mines, old townsites, follow the routes of old rail beds and historic settler wagon roads,
This is exactly what I am looking for in a GPS but it also has to be able to save trails you create as you drive and have a decent sized screen.

With what you are saying about topo maps, does this mean I can buy a cheap garmin nuvi 50LM and load topo maps on it?http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Garmin+-...&skuId=3054047

There are so many different gps on the market. Which Garmin GPS are capable of saving trails you create as you drive?
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Unread 01-30-2013, 01:31 PM   #19
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I have an older Garmin Etrex Legend and it is a very good GPS. The issue is the screen is too small adn only one color. I now have a Lowarane Out Back Endura and with it add on topo graphics it is proving to be a great GPS for off roading. I has big buttons large easy to use touch screen. The topo software show me were the forestry gates are, show you boundaries on federal parks, personal property and state parks. It shows as much or more trials than any other topos I have.
It shows where the forestry gates are, show you boundries on federal parks, peronal property and state parks.

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Unread 01-31-2013, 07:44 AM   #20
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Note that the latest topo maps from Garmin include all the streets too, including some that may not be on the streets map disk, and it's routeable. You no longer need to purchase street maps for Garmin GPS's if you've purchased the 1:24000 topo maps for your area.

Regarding the usefulness of the Garmin topo maps for offroading, as well as the 60Csx I had a large-screen Garmin car GPS prior to moving to the iPad as my large-screen GPS (the topo maps work on all of the Garmin products and are *not* locked to a single GPS), and the topo maps had interesting detail on them that was useful for offroading if you're a destination offroader who enjoys visiting mines, old townsites, follow the routes of old rail beds and historic settler wagon roads, and so forth as vs a "I wanna trash my junk" offroader who doesn't care about anything other than what's the biggest rock you can crawl. The only thing the topo maps disk lacks that the Streets disk has is the POI database. Big deal, if I'm anywhere that the POI database matters, I just do the search with my smartphone anyhow, since a real time Google Maps search is always more up-to-date than some year-old POI database.
This is something I have discovered with my new GPS and new topos. I have used paper topos, since I was in Boy Scouts (I am now 46). I like the digital maps because of the convince. The last digital topos I had were for my Garmin Etrex legend. Over 10 years old. Those maps were just like other paper topo maps I had used before. There are things on these new digital topos you may never have known about even though they had been there for a 100 plus years. There may not be a building there, there may not even be a marker but it still tells about an event they may have taken place, or something else.
We live in a wooded area with allot of federal forest around us that actually have many open trials. It is really interesting to roam and just see what pops up on these newer digital topos. Really unique interesting things you would have never know about if you didn’t have or use these topos.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 10:06 AM   #21
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I looked at the Garmin 60CSx in the store and was astonished on how bad the screen resolution looks compared to the retina display on my iPhone. I did not dig into it enough, but can you change layers on the Garmin from let's say USGS Topo to OSM (open source map), terrain or world view? I do a lot of overlanding and find it critical to have multiple views during my travel. I have on occasion lost the GPS signal, but have the same program and maps on a second phone with a different provider; however, I am considering buying a dedicated offroad GPS as a tertiary just in case call else fails.
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Unread 01-31-2013, 10:22 AM   #22
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I looked at the Garmin 60CSx in the store and was astonished on how bad the screen resolution looks compared to the retina display on my iPhone. I did not dig into it enough, but can you change layers on the Garmin from let's say USGS Topo to OSM (open source map), terrain or world view? I do a lot of overlanding and find it critical to have multiple views during my travel. I have on occasion lost the GPS signal, but have the same program and maps on a second phone with a different provider; however, I am considering buying a dedicated offroad GPS as a tertiary just in case call else fails.
Are you taking about Geodtic datum?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodetic_datum
If so most they hiking style (ones that would be better suited for off roading) would have a way to allow you to change you datum. They should also allow you to pick your north.

If you are using more than one map whether it they are all digital, some digital some paper you need to be able to check this to help ensure the maps are coordinated. Being able to select your north is also important if you are using a compass along with you GPS and paper maps. Another consideration is being able to find and adjust for declination.
http://www.thecompassstore.com/decvar.html
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Unread 01-31-2013, 12:07 PM   #23
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No, my Gaia GPS application has the ability to store various map overlay's; e.g., USGS Topo, Topo with Forest Service, satellite imagery maps, Open Source Map (OSM), street maps, Terrain mapping, etc., and dynamically change the layer (map overlay) to gain a better perspective relative to my current position or route. I have found that various map overlays have more / less detail and more significantly higher resolution, which allows me to zoom in closer to determine the correct direction. For example; max resolution on 24k USGS Topo (500ft), vs Mapquest OSM (200ft) vs Thinder Forest OSM (50ft). I have found this invaluable when traveling on trails with unmarked intersections that will not show up unless you are zoomed in to the max and have gone the wrong was as a result. The actual quality of the map is much better than these screen captures, as the picture resolution is automatically reduced when I uploaded them to PhotoBucket, but you should get a idea of what I am describing. The lines are sharp as a razor on my iPhone display.





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Unread 01-31-2013, 09:19 PM   #24
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Anyone have any experience with the Garmin Montana series? I checked it out the other day. Seems pretty nice...especially with a larger higher resolution screen. But I have some concerns that the ability to acquire satellite connection will be not as good as the GPSMAP series.

Pros vs cons would be screen size vs satellite connection quality.

Note: it would not be strictly a vehicle GPS - I am an avid backpacker, snow shoer, etc...
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Unread 01-31-2013, 11:43 PM   #25
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My Android DNA with the 5" screen with Back Country Navigator and the iPad built in GPS with Topo Maps do every thing I need on and off road. both show real time and one will inport and export data. My sat phone is my life saver if I need it. Works like a SPOT and can send my location in a text if needed.
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So many choices, making a GPS decision is more complicated than I thought it would be.
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Do you have a smartphone? I bought a Samsung Galaxy S3 last fall to replace an aging iPhone 3g that wouldn't run most modern iPhone apps, and found that the screen makes a fairly good offroading GPS if you combine it with a topo maps application. Get a rugged rubberized case for it, one of those suction cup smartphone holders to stick it on the windshield, and you're ready for everything other than floods (the Otter Box case will protect it reasonably well from normal dirt and weather, but isn't going to work if your Jeep goes underwater).
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TOPO nav system ??

it seems like Jeep nav systems should have the ability to have TOPO data... it is a garmin nav system... can you install topo data into the Jeep Nav system ... i will be ordering a 14 wrangler soon...
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Unread 05-27-2013, 06:16 PM   #29
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Here's the word directly from Garmin (on another forum):

Dear (User),

Thank you for contacting Garmin International. I can definitely answer your questions. If you have the new Jeep 430N Media Center it does not support Birds Eye Satellite Imagery or Topo maps. They simply have city navigator maps loaded on them. I hope this answers your questions.



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913-440-8280 (fax) Att: Alexander B, Associate #6976
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Unread 05-27-2013, 10:46 PM   #30
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Ipad and PDF Maps - Free Maps

I use an Ipad2 which works well for my eyes. The app I use is "PDF Maps" version 1.6.3 It is free and made by Avenza. There is also an Android beta version. The best part is the maps. I go to http://store.usgs.gov/b2c_usgs/usgs/...&uiarea=2)/.do This site is the USGS topo maps and they are free. They include the new 2011 7.5 minute series of maps that include high res aerial overlay. I download the maps I need at home, then I'm good to go without cell or wifi coverage.

The maps are the best I have found for mountain logging roads in Oregon. The aerial detail is really impressive and the gps tracking is very accurate.

The app supports import of kml files to load geocaches or other placemarks. It will also log a route but you need to keep it running to log. Here's a screen shot of a map. I usually load them at low resolution which this is but the app also supports loading the high resolution maps.


Best part of this solution is the cost. If you have an Ipad or Andriod tablet your are set and the software and maps are all free. I think the USGS topo site has coverage for the entire US.

As for mounting my Ipad, I use a shoelace and couple wire clips attached just above the radio in my TJ. I have a Ipad cover that flips over and I just sling my Ipad over the shoelace. It works very well, allows me to slip the Ipad up on the dash to adjust the radio, and to take the Ipad out when I park.
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