[biffgnar]

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Thanks, biffgnar, that's probably what I'll end up doing.

The other part of the "neighborly help" thing is that I am about 250 miles from my jeep, which I use weekends primarily at present, specifically for the towing tasks and related. Just finding another jeeper is problematic, then scheduling a time is highly problematic. Sure, no harm trying, and would likely be good for me too, but I just don't have time for it. Over time, hopefully I'll get to know some jeepers who are mechanically inclined.

When you say "Look at the legend on the inside of the lid and identify a relay for the ASD" What is an ASD?

" (I can look when I go out to my jeep after work)." Yes, please do, any plain english details will help.

"Unplug that relay. Keep it in your pocket till you come back and plug it back in." Sounds like a great idea, if it really helps. Why not just do that all the time?

What wires would they "jump" ? I don't think there is even a lock on the hood.

The legend will say "ASD". I foget what it stands for. It controls a few systems that the jeep will not run without.

While not hard, it's more of a PITA than I would want to deal with everytime you get in and out of the jeep.

The relay creates an open in the relevant circuit until the power "switch" closes that circuit. A thief could jump the plugs that are normally open and manually close the circuit.

You are right there is no lock on the hood. That's one of the reasons why this is not a perfect solution.

[forthetimebeing]

Great, Lawrence, thanks for coming through on this.

Are these the keys I need for SKIM + Sentry?
99 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 JEEP WRANGLER TRANSPONDER KEY: eBay Motors (item 370383285407 end time May-28-10 18:55:34 PDT)

That Mopar wholesale source in the article doesn't have the Sentry Key Immobilizer, or it does not show up from search. Any other idea or suggestion where to get one?

What is "a T-10 Torx" and where would one get that? If it is that easy to install, isn't it that easy for a crook to remove or disable?

If there is one thing I've learned over the years, it's that we assume far more than we consciously know, but think what we consciously know is all that's important. That's why I trust professionals and distrust myself. They have forgotten more than I'll ever know on the subject ;-)

I see five of those ASD relay boxes, or look alikes, how do you know which one to pluck, or doesn't it matter? Is this something that gets damaged from removing and re-inserting?

It was mentioned a crook could just jump some wires if they saw that missing. They'd know right away which ones to jump? I guess it'd leave them hanging while they did it at least.

That's where the noisemaker comes in. Any ideas on an alarm that is easy to trigger and hard to shut off?

Also, I think it would help a lot to find a way to lock the hood. Any ideas on that?

Finally, the Tuffy site says those locks are not for the '06 LJ Unltd. -- instead there are these
http://www.quadratec.com/products/11150_01.htm
TJ & LJ Security Door Lockers for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited

Do the others fit, or should I go with these external ones?

Thanks again -- now I'm counting on you ;-)

[Bouve124]

Originally Posted by JeepJeep31

This thread had me so intrigued about the tin foil method for testing the key that I ran out side of my office just now to test....jeep started, key immobilizer starting flashing and the jeep shut off.

I would say that the myth has been proven true

haha It was never a myth.... I told him to do it because I knew it works!

[biffgnar]

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Great, Lawrence, thanks for coming through on this.

Are these the keys I need for SKIM + Sentry?
99 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 JEEP WRANGLER TRANSPONDER KEY: eBay Motors (item 370383285407 end time May-28-10 18:55:34 PDT)

That Mopar wholesale source in the article doesn't have the Sentry Key Immobilizer, or it does not show up from search. Any other idea or suggestion where to get one?

What is "a T-10 Torx" and where would one get that? If it is that easy to install, isn't it that easy for a crook to remove or disable?

If there is one thing I've learned over the years, it's that we assume far more than we consciously know, but think what we consciously know is all that's important. That's why I trust professionals and distrust myself. They have forgotten more than I'll ever know on the subject ;-)

I see five of those ASD relay boxes, or look alikes, how do you know which one to pluck, or doesn't it matter? Is this something that gets damaged from removing and re-inserting?

It was mentioned a crook could just jump some wires if they saw that missing. They'd know right away which ones to jump? I guess it'd leave them hanging while they did it at least.

That's where the noisemaker comes in. Any ideas on an alarm that is easy to trigger and hard to shut off?

Also, I think it would help a lot to find a way to lock the hood. Any ideas on that?

Thanks again -- now I'm counting on you ;-)

The boxes are all different relays. You need to look at the legend on the under side of the lid and see which one is the "ASD" relay. Other relays will be labeled as controlling other things. ASD relay is the one you want to pull. The relay just pulls out. It is a plug. If you are careful putting it in and out so as not to bend any prongs no harm.

Your average random person is not going to know to check the PDC, notice which relay is missing and know which prongs to jump. But as I mentioned the first time I suggested this, a serious thief can defeat this.

Do a search for hood locks. Plenty of threads on here discussing them.

[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Are these the keys I need for SKIM + Sentry?
99 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 JEEP WRANGLER TRANSPONDER KEY: eBay Motors (item 370383285407 end time May-28-10 18:55:34 PDT)

Looks like them.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

That Mopar wholesale source in the article doesn't have the Sentry Key Immobilizer, or it does not show up from search. Any other idea or suggestion where to get one?

Sure it does... it is called "IGNITION IMMOBILIZER MODULE, TJ Series" and it costs $69.76. Once you enter your vehicle, enter 56010209AD as part number/keyword, and presto, you are ready to order.

Not sure if this is the best deal, and others may chime in with other places to source it from.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

What is "a T-10 Torx" and where would one get that? If it is that easy to install, isn't it that easy for a crook to remove or disable?

Something like the pic below. You can get it as a bit to insert in a screwdriver or as a socket to use with a wrench. You can get them at most hardware/auto parts stores. The end looks like a star.



Once you plug the system in, the ECM (computer) recognizes the module and you need the proper "transponder". Hence reading the instructions and NOT plugging the module in until you are at the dealer, and then having the key coded so that its transponder is recognized by the module. Then, it doesn't matter if a would-be thief removes the module, the ECM will shut the vehicle down.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

If there is one thing I've learned over the years, it's that we assume far more than we consciously know, but think what we consciously know is all that's important. That's why I trust professionals and distrust myself. They have forgotten more than I'll ever know on the subject ;-)

If you don't feel comfortable with it and you have a shop you trust, it won't be that much to have it done. With a little luck, your shop will let you source the parts so it can be done on the spot. Then, off to the dealer to get programmed.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

I see five of those ASD relay boxes, or look alikes, how do you know which one to pluck, or doesn't it matter? Is this something that gets damaged from removing and re-inserting?

I thought your Jeep was 250 miles away? If you are talking about the picture I posted, it is the one marked ASD with the white line pointing to it. When you open the fuse box, there will be a diagram on the lid telling you which one it is, and it will likely be the same one. If you can read, you can find it. You won't damage anything by removing/reinserting.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Any ideas on an alarm that is easy to trigger and hard to shut off?

I don't care for them, so I don't know about them.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Also, I think it would help a lot to find a way to lock the hood. Any ideas on that?

Finally, the Tuffy site says those locks are not for the '06 LJ Unltd. -- instead there are these
Tuffy 043 - Tuffy Security Products TJ & LJ Security Door Lockers for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited - Quadratec
TJ & LJ Security Door Lockers for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited

Do the others fit, or should I go with these external ones?

Go with these ones, I gave you the wrong link before, my bad.

Here is the link to the Hood Lock Kit for 97-06 Jeep® Wrangler TJ & Unlimited with Forward Latch Pull - Quadratec

[jeepcreep]

Also, If you go to Home Depot, they have a sensor checking device. I know this, because I tried to have an additional key make there, he the clerk make me aware of it.

[telkinsjr]

Anyone have trouble with their skim. I know I have it installed, I have the grey key, but it also works with a regular skinny black key. Plus, here recently, my SKIM light on the dash will come on at random intervals then go off. It's annoying and I fear a trip to the dealership may be in order.

[tjtom]

buy a spare key at any lowes, home depot, etc. for $2 and if it starts then you have a non chipped key, if it doesnt start you have a chipped key

[forthetimebeing]

Lawrence, you're the best ;-)

Countless thanks for your patience and follow-through. I'm going with all your suggestions. Man, that mopar site is tricky to use, I don't know how many tries it took to find that item, despite all your indicators.

So, I've got the skim and keys, door locks and hood lock on order. Unfortunately, nothing will be installed for this weekend, but I'll remove the ASD box and put a cheap hi decibel jamb alarm somewhere outside on the vehicle, if a tire moves, it'll have them wishing it hadn't and take a while to find and kill as well.

With all that in place, I'll have done the obvious at least. Or almost. Forgot about the bike lock on the tire. How did you manage that again? I have a hard time visualizing how you'd get that around the tire in such a way as to actually secure it, or what kind of lock you mean -- the "kryptonite" kind? Any chance of a picture or two how you managed that?

Anyway, if the jeep is still there on Monday, I'll have you and biffgnar to thank for it. Next time I'll hopefully be armed against the doors and tire vulnerabilities, as well as having the hood locked and the skim + key set.

One last question about that skim installation -- I can't make out what the heck he's talking about from step 3 onward because I don't know the terms he's using or what they look like, and he does not have the things marked and labeled on the pictures. I might venture to do this if I knew what the heck he's talking about, and I had all day to do it, at brain surgeon pace.

Another thing that worries me is getting to a dealer with everything apart like that. I still don't get how the skim is supposed to "know" the key, without the key knowing the skim first. I just don't get it. Disgusting the stealership will not just do the whole thing, I'd let them rip me off for the convenience and time savings.

Anyway, enough for tonight, and endless thanks.

If you're ever up this way (NY) I'll get you as drunk as you like ;-)

[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

So, I've got the skim and keys, door locks and hood lock on order.

Get yourself a set of torx bits/sockets, you'll most likely have to remove 1 or 2 to install the door locks. The items should come with instructions, or you can do a search here, I am sure someone has posted a how-to.

NOTE: The key with Torx if you have never dealt with them is to keep it absolutely straight. If you use a wrench, use one hand to put pressure by pushing straight on, and your other hand to turn the wrench. If your socket is sideways or if you don't pay attention, you'll slip and may strip the torx. Also, remember "lefty-loosy".

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Forgot about the bike lock on the tire. How did you manage that again? I have a hard time visualizing how you'd get that around the tire in such a way as to actually secure it, or what kind of lock you mean -- the "kryptonite" kind? Any chance of a picture or two how you managed that?

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Anyway, if the jeep is still there on Monday, I'll have you and biffgnar to thank for it. Next time I'll hopefully be armed against the doors and tire vulnerabilities, as well as having the hood locked and the skim + key set.

There is no reason it shouldn't be. Like any other vehicle, you just have to make it a little more difficult for thieves to get to it so that they move on to the next. Also, use common sense as to where you park it and what you leave inside. The only thing with Jeeps is that doors and spares are easily removed, so you have to think about that.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

One last question about that skim installation -- I can't make out what the heck he's talking about from step 3 onward because I don't know the terms he's using or what they look like, and he does not have the things marked and labeled on the pictures. I might venture to do this if I knew what the heck he's talking about, and I had all day to do it, at brain surgeon pace.

The MJR article shows the install on a stick shift TJ and those have some ignition lock thingy. It is a small button you need to push to remove your key. So, it talks about removing the wiper stalk to be able to fit the SKIM over the ignition, probably due to some weird angle you have to get.

The JeepForum article shows the install on an Auto and those do not have that little button. If you read through it, there seems to be no need for removing the wiper stalk, so one less step for you.

I think it may be easier for you to understand once you look at it.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Another thing that worries me is getting to a dealer with everything apart like that. I still don't get how the skim is supposed to "know" the key, without the key knowing the skim first. I just don't get it. Disgusting the stealership will not just do the whole thing, I'd let them rip me off for the convenience and time savings.

The only thing you'll have apart is the bottom plastic cover. Its only purpose is to hide all the wires and stuff, no biggie.

Remember... DO NOT PLUG IT IN until you get to the dealer, that way your Jeep "doesn't know" you have the SKIM. Once you get to the dealer and plug the wire onto the SKIM, you'll need to have the keys programmed for the two to talk to each other or else you won't go very far.

Make sure to make an appointment at the dealer so they know you're coming in and don't dismiss you.

[forthetimebeing]

Yeah, I have a stick, I'd never get an automatic, least of all on a jeep. Also have socket wrenches etc. including a variety of those insert heads (torx too) and a couple of different holders. Actually, I am pretty handy with carpentry, have lots of tools, but have shied away from things automotive all my life. That may have to change, at least a little ;-) or a little at a time.

Removing the "wiper stalk?" You mean the whole wiper handle control thingy? I don't recall that from the MSR article, can't make out a thing in those spaghetti photographs anyway. That is kind of scary, has to be tricky, must be all kinds of wires in that thing.

Anyway, with a little arm twisting I may be able to get a stealership to do the install and program the keys too, but I just got this from them:

"I spoke with the shop foreman and he said that if the vehicle did not come from the factory with skim then there may not be any wiring in the dash to hook the module up."

I guess I can take the cover off look for free connector, just to keep them honest ;-) though I'll have to shell out for that too if there's none. Fingers crossed on that.

Thanks for the cable lock photo, I guess I can figure out the back side. I'm wondering though, I have one of those nut replacement locks on already, are they any good as deterrent? I was thinking you had both, but it looks like you have just the cable lock.

Steven

[Wheelin98TJ]

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Yeah, I have a stick, I'd never get an automatic, least of all on a jeep...

A Jeep deserves an auto almost more than any other vehicle.

Who wants to bang gears in a Jeep?

But that is an entirely different thread that will go forever.

[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Actually, I am pretty handy with carpentry, have lots of tools, but have shied away from things automotive all my life. That may have to change, at least a little ;-) or a little at a time.

Then, just pretend you're working on a Riva and everything will be fine

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Removing the "wiper stalk?" You mean the whole wiper handle control thingy? I don't recall that from the MSR article.

You didn't read, or you did and did not pay attention.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

can't make out a thing in those spaghetti photographs anyway. That is kind of scary, has to be tricky, must be all kinds of wires in that thing.

The wiper stalk is highlighted in Red, the Green is the T-10 bit removing the 2 torx screws so the wiper stalk can come off, the pink is the ignition lock button.


In this picture you can see that the 2 torx screws are out (Green) and that the wiper stalk is also removed thus creating the necessary void for the SKIM module to be inserted. The Yellow arrow shows how to position the SKIM module (up and down) so that its body doesn't interfere with the ignition lock button. It is a rather crude drawing but it is the best I could do, you hold the SKIM module in the 6-12 o'clock position with the ring down and slide it over the ignition barrel.


The yellow arrow now shows you that you rotate the skim module down to about the 4-5 o'clock position and it will clear the ignition lock button (Pink)


Now, look under the steering column for the little tab, and move the SKIM module up so that the tab is properly seated in the column as indicated by the yellow arrow.


Remount your wiper stalk using the reverse procedure (reinsert the 2 torx) and drive to your local dealership. Plug the module in, program the keys, and enjoy your drive back home.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Anyway, with a little arm twisting I may be able to get a stealership to do the install and program the keys too, but I just got this from them:

"I spoke with the shop foreman and he said that if the vehicle did not come from the factory with skim then there may not be any wiring in the dash to hook the module up."

Most techs go by the book and are not allowed to think. If it is not spelled out for them, they can't comprehend.

A friend and I just installed a heated steering wheel in his BMW after the local dealers (2 of them) said it was impossible because the wiring was not there. We dropped by to show them the final product and just smiled at their astonishment.

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

I guess I can take the cover off look for free connector, just to keep them honest ;-) though I'll have to shell out for that too if there's none. Fingers crossed on that.

No need to shell out for anything, just point to the plug

Originally Posted by forthetimebeing

Thanks for the cable lock photo, I guess I can figure out the back side. I'm wondering though, I have one of those nut replacement locks on already, are they any good as deterrent? I was thinking you had both, but it looks like you have just the cable lock.

Those locking nuts don't do much for me and they come off easy with vice grips.

[MarkTJRubi]

Originally Posted by Lawrence

You could always retrofit it with the following parts:
Key blank # 5018699-AA
SKIM Module # 56010209-AD

Could not order SKIM module

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I tried to order a SKIM module to add to my 2003 TJ, but was told it could not be added to my Jeep? Did I miss something about this procedure? I understood it could be added to any Jeep.

I tried to get it from
Mopar Parts Catalog


Order Status Details Order Date: 4/24/10 4:36 PM
Description Qty Price Core Price Total Price
OEM Catalog
Electrical Body electrical Anti-theft components Ignition im 1 $69.76 $0.00 $69.76
Status: On Hold
Sub Total $69.76
Tax $0.00
Shipping $10.00
Handling Fee $0.00
Total $79.76

View Other Orders

Supplier Comments:
04/26/10 4:50 PM - YOUR JEEP DOES NOT HAVE A IMMOBILIER AND IT CAN NOT BE ADDED TO YOUR JEEP

I asked this question earlier and never got a response. Is the parts guy confused or am I?

Thanks

[forthetimebeing]

W O W, man, that is perfect. No thanks are enough.

Send those photos to the dope who wrote that how-to, or redo the article and post it again with your markup photos. All the damn difference in the WORLD. You know, I actually contacted the guy, and he said he didn't have the means to mark up a photo. So, I sent him a URL early this morning to download some freeware just for that, so far no response. I do this for a living -- no kidding, I do show & tell "how-to's" -- mostly on high tech topics, but anything really, as long as there's a "subject matter expert" I can work with (I am never the expert ;-). Those color squiggles and text explanations of yours transform a total POS into a really useful how-to.

Really should be put up for all with those photos and text captions. Hell, if I hear from the guy again, I'll forward him the url to this thread. Jeez Lueez.

I think you have it exactly right about the stealership techs, and I'll keep you posted how it all turns out.

Yeah, the nut lock never did inspire confidence, may add in the cable as well.

Does this forum hand out awards? You get five gold stars.

;-)