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Unread 07-28-2013, 11:30 AM   #6241
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I think they should be there too
But you might wire up the pci bus cable,,,

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Upgrading to power or power/heated seats (Laredo models)
Power or power/heated seats can be added to most WJ's that came with standard seats. The entire seat assemblies will have to be exchanged. All seats use the same bolt pattern so the installation fit will always be exact. For power seat wiring, all that is required is a constant +12V wire and a Ground wire. Vehicles that came without power seats are not pre-wired. For the Ground wire it is probably best to run it over to the center console area where it can be attached to a metal bracket. Do not drill a hole in the floor below the seat. For the power lead, run a wire with an in-line fuse up to the fuse panel area where you can find a + wire to tap into.


Power / heated seats (leather only)

For 1999-2004 Grand Cherokees that came without heated seats the wiring is a little more involved as the heat function is controlled via the PCI Bus and you will be hooking up two seats. Two heated seat switches will have to be purchased and installed in the center bezel. Some center bezels have the holes pre-cut with blank plates installed while others may have to be trimmed out with a dremel type tool. Some owners elect to just purchase a new center console bezel assembly as there are several choices available (with and without ashtray for example). See Interior Trim for a list of part numbers for center bezels.

NOTE: A factory pre-wired harness for the heated seat switches is located behind the center lower bezel in most if not all models that did not have this feature. All you have to do is plug the two harness plugs into the two heated seat switches.


Power / heated seat wiring at the seat location

For the driver's seat, Pin 4 (red) is the 12V lead and Pin 5 (black) is the Ground.

On the Passenger seat Pin 3 (Red/LB) is the 12V lead and Pin 2 (black) is the Ground.

The Ground wires for the two seats should be run together to one Ground location. The power wires for both seats can be hooked together and a single wire with an in-line fuse run to the front fuse box area.

The PCI Bus wire is run from the drivers seat to a location under the dash where you can tap into any PCI wire. Most owners have just tapped into the Bus at the radio harness. On 1999-2001 WJ's, a single separate PCI wire plugs into the back of the radio. For 2002-2004 models tap in to Pin 14 of the 22-pin radio harness. Radio wiring diagrams can be found Here .

In addition to the PCI Bus, Power and Ground, four wires must be run between the drivers seat and the passenger seat, as shown in the table below:

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Unread 07-28-2013, 04:37 PM   #6242
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Dug deeper and I do not have the harness for the heated seats or the switches.
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Dug deeper and I do not have the harness for the heated seats or the switches.
I have the complete wireing diagram for the seats and heat switches on my computer, i Will find it for you, if you would like to just draw your own wires, it shouldnt be to hard, your skilled electro wise.
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Unread 07-28-2013, 06:29 PM   #6244
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Yeah I guess I am not seeing the bigger picture here? Don't I need the harness to plug into the switches or else nothing would work? I don't get how "tapping into" the PCI Bus wire is going to make the heated seats work?
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Yeah I guess I am not seeing the bigger picture here? Don't I need the harness to plug into the switches or else nothing would work? I don't get how "tapping into" the PCI Bus wire is going to make the heated seats work?
Ok, i will try to explain, you got 12V+ and ground to the seat, the switches Are not open/closed contacts, they Are resistor switches, open in off position, and have a spesific ohm value in high and low position.

So the seat Get a steady/solid 12V+ and ground.
The switches Get 12V but will only send out 0-5V back to the BCM, regarding if they Are in high or low position.

The BCM sends signal to the seat thrue the pci wire to heat the seat in high or low setting.
This is now only regulated by the termostat in the seat so its not overheating/take fire.

The pci wire will Work as your control wire, not by on off but by voltage 0-5V.
Ex, 3V low heat, 5V high heat.

The BCM sends this switches signals/values to the seat (pci cable), so the seat module reconize the signal and feel the termostat, and know what to do, turn on low/high/off.

Hopes this explain some more.
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I am thinking that this heated seat project may be too far out of my comprehension of wiring. Especially leery about tapping into PCI and BCM stuff, that could get nasty. I do not even have the plug to go into the back of the heated seat switches.
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I am thinking that this heated seat project may be too far out of my comprehension of wiring. Especially leery about tapping into PCI and BCM stuff, that could get nasty. I do not even have the plug to go into the back of the heated seat switches.
Cut the plug for switches from a JY.
The wireing is pretty straight forward,
Tapping into the PCI wire is easy, just soldier and heatshrink, nothing can Go wrong with this as Long as you disconect the battery while working on it.
I did this when i hooked up my skim bypass module for the Viper alarm.
You Will only need to draw a pci wire from Seat module to the PCI wire on the radio, so its conected with the BCM and can "comunicate".
And wireing for the switches.
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What signal does the PCI Wire give the seats? IIRC there are like 7 wires that go into each switch.
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Its a coded signal, where each module have its own identity, so they reconize each other and can comunicate, with data signals, 0 and 1's.

Google bus signal, to advanced for me to explain, but out of the wireing diagram it should be only one wire as i see it.
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If you mean the heated seat switches, there should be 5 wires going to each switch, refering to the wireing diagram

Wires at switches:
White/Pink (WH/PI), +12V
Black (BL), ground

Orange (OR), bus wire (BCM>switch)
Orange/Black (OR/BL), bus wire (switch>BCM)
Light Green/Red (LG/RD,) bus wire (driver switch>BCM)
Light green/White (LG/WH), bus wire (passenger switch>BCM)

These Are really not bus signals between the switches and the BCM, they Get 12V in and Are resistor switches, sending about ex, 5 and 7V back to the BCM telling the BCM which position the switch is set at.
(I know i have seen a thread with the messuring parameters for the hi/lo setting)
The bus signal is between the BCM and seat module.

Hope this helps out,,,,?
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Yeah that helps out I think. I am going to keep my eyes out for the harness around the JY and Internet.

Problem 2 is that I don't even have a wiring harness going to my passenger seat... like at all.
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^^^Good
Like you got no power seat at all?
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I have power seats on my pass side. But by my own power and ground source.
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I have power seats on my pass side. But by my own power and ground source.
Uh, yeah, well well,
shouldnt have anything to say, as Long as,,,
the bus wire is wired from the BCM to the Seat module,
And switches to the BCM.
And both Seat have power and ground,

Then you should have everything you need IMO.
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The driver's seat should not be that bad. Since it already has the full harness. Like I just plugged in the new seat base right too it. so that should be good to go.

Breaking it down some more, the DRIVER's switch needs a +12v, ground, Wire to the BCM and a wire from the PCI?

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