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post #4696 of 6769 Old 07-13-2012, 08:52 AM Thread Starter
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JKS Track Bar Videos

Okay Guys. Here we go. Tell me what you all think. Give the videos some more time to process if they do not load. They are also shot in 1080 for extra viewing pleasure.

Frame Side First.

Axle Side.

Found a video of Kevin's WJ with his bushings (and what looks like the upgraded bolts)


Some good news is that is that I DID NOT see any indication on the bolts moving around.

I also lowered the front tire pressure from 34 to 32 PSI.

Edit: I got an appointment for an alignment "check" that includes a printout of the specs. Which ill post. Then I am getting all 4 tires re-balanced for 40 bucks.

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Looks like your bolts are good. That's quite a bit of movement on the frame side bushing though...

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Sigghhhh of relief on the bolts. Now I thought that as well with the frame side. Think I should just go ahead and get the KOR Bushings?

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It wouldn't hurt... If the rest of the steering is in good shape and you have a shimmy, that bushing might be causing it.

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I have also been emailing the JKS tech and I've also sent them the videos that I posted and am waiting to here what they say as well.

Did I make it clear that the shimmy/little death wobble feeling at 50 Ish is constant? Not just when I hit a bump?

I'm getting an alignment check and tires re-balanced and see what that does too. That amount of moment is just too much. So I guess ill anti up and get the bushings.

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Hmmm. Since it's constant, I'm thinking that's an alignment/balance issue. I'd wait to order the bushings until after you can test out the new changes.

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Okay will do, I have an time slot at 2 pm to get tires balanced and the alignment check. So I will see what that does. I will also post the alignment specs when I get them. Compcrasher86 also said the same thing because it was a constant thing. Even a tire out of balance can make it feel like it is going to DW?

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It'll make the steering wheel/vehicle vibrate...

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Yeah, its doing that. So hopefully we can get some resolution today.

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At Merchants Tire now, they are putting the rear tires on the front, balancing all 4 tires and checking out the alignment. While I am currently waiting JKS responded back to me via email after they looked at the videos.

Here is what they said.

"Michael,

The amount your bushings are flexing is completely normal and acceptable for you trackbar. I have actually owned a WJ for a while and had a small vibration similar to the one you’re describing.

What I had found is that the tires were balanced improperly. The WJ uses the lugnuts to center the tire/wheel on the hub. Most tire and wheel shops you a hubcentric balancing machine (balances off of wheel hub). This throws off the wheel balance and caused me to have a shutter when cornering at higher speeds. I was able to find a ship to do a road force balance (blance off of the lugnut holes). And that cured my issue.

Not saying that is your problem, just know it was for me. I can tell you that your bushings are performing as intended.

JKS"

I was very happy with JKS tech support. They have been very helpful and supportive.

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Good to hear, keep us posted

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Will do man. I may try to just put some more torque on the frame side bolt if need be.

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Will do man. I may try to just put some more torque on the frame side bolt if need be.
I doubt that'll do much good

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Thats what I had to do. I had some movement, just cranked down the bolt a bit more and it took some of the slop out, however its not 100% gone.

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Dusk - how much torque did you put on it??

They did have to put new weights on the front tires, so I guess they were not perfectly balanced... that may be a good sign.

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