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post #3796 of 6769 Old 04-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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Yes, I edited my post - go to 505 Performance.

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post #3797 of 6769 Old 04-25-2012, 01:34 PM
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Also, in that video his G-tech is claiming 162 hp and a 12.75 0-60. That's pretty awful considering you pulled 160 and 10.xx stock.
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Okay, I will check out that link from 505.

I am assuming that you mean that his Jeep sounded bad? I would not take the HP ratings from my little App to heart but the 0-60 time have been very accurate from what reviews have said. The HP rating is calculated based on weight of vehicle and something else. My best run last night was 10.3x second 0-60 at ~2100 feet of elevation with a 1/4 tank of gas. Do you think he was flooring it? I hope not because that was slow as mess.

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Browsing around 505 Performance... Could spent all my monies there.

Found this cam and stuff here

~ 04 WJ Overland 4.7 HO | Graphite Metallic | Quadra-Drive | Vari-Locks | Bilstein 4600ís | ADDCO Sway Bar | Powerstick Exhaust | RB1 | SuperChips Tuned | Much More to Come ~

~ 04 WJ Laredo 4.0 | Selec-Trac | MBP | OME HD 3" Lift | JKS TB | IRO Front LCA's and UCA's| Bilstein 5100's | Silent Armor 245/70/17's | Custom Front D.S. | Stillen Rotors/Pads | Tow Package w/ 3.73's | Moog HD Steering | Kenwood eXcelon HU | Alpine Speakers, Amps, and Subs | Bilstein SS | Auxiliary Transmission Cooler | Rock Lights | Light Bars | Lots of Cool Stuff ~

~ 05 Rubicon Unlimited 4.0 | 6-Speed | Dana 44's | Air Lockers | 4.11 Gears | Rock-Trac 241OR T-Case with 4:1 4-Low | OME HD Springs | Bilstein 5100ís | 245/75/16 Kevlar MT/R's on Moabs | Hansen Offroad Steel F/R Bumpers | Warn 9000xi Winch | Edge Performance Chip | Custom CAI | Hella Off-road Lights | Cobra 29 CB | Flash Lights | Recovery Gear | Fire Extinguisher ~

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Yeah it was pretty slow. When I counted off the seconds it was like a 16 second 0-60. And yes, I meant it sounded bad, especially when he was revving it while parked. Ricey whistling intake, diesel tractor-sounding exhaust. The Cat-delete was not his friend. I find cat-deletes usually make cars sound awful (had a few my self). The exception was the pre-cat delete on my S4 which allowed you to hear the turbine chop from the twin turbos.

The HP rating from your torque app is actually just about right considering the drivetrain losses with a big heavy 4wd/constantly-engaged system. I would expect a 200hp Jeep to hit right at 160hp, that's 20% drivetrain loss, not out of the realm of possibility since you have so much rotating mass.
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Browsing around 505 Performance... Could spent all my monies there.

Found this cam and stuff here
Looks good, just remember that where you want your powerband is more like 1000-4000 rpm - think of where it shifts when you floor it. All the top-end in the world isn't going to help, especially if you need good towing and off-road performance. The first half of the rev range is where it's at for Jeeps. Favor low-end torque over top end power.
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Yeah it was pretty slow. When I counted off the seconds it was like a 16 second 0-60. And yes, I meant it sounded bad, especially when he was revving it while parked. Ricey whistling intake, diesel tractor-sounding exhaust. The Cat-delete was not his friend. I find cat-deletes usually make cars sound awful (had a few my self). The exception was the pre-cat delete on my S4 which allowed you to hear the turbine chop from the twin turbos.

The HP rating from your torque app is actually just about right considering the drivetrain losses with a big heavy 4wd/constantly-engaged system. I would expect a 200hp Jeep to hit right at 160hp, that's 20% drivetrain loss, not out of the realm of possibility since you have so much rotating mass.
Thankfully my Jeep doesn't sound farty (stock) and is actually pretty quite on the road which I like. It actually has a decent throaty deep sound when getting on it. Which can be heard in some of my videos. Well that is not too bad then for that app! So about 20% drive train loss for the WJ sounds about right?

Lol that twin-turbo setup was probably a far cry exception from the little 4.0 haha. That must have been a monster!

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Looks good, just remember that where you want your powerband is more like 1000-4000 rpm - think of where it shifts when you floor it. All the top-end in the world isn't going to help, especially if you need good towing and off-road performance. The first half of the rev range is where it's at for Jeeps. Favor low-end torque over top end power.
That cam said its power band was from 1600-6000 rpms. (Not like I could afford that any of these mods anyways...) But, with that being said, it is still fun to talk about it! A cam with extra power in the 1000-4000 would be most useful because that is where the majority of DD'ing rpms are at. Actually, it is not uncommon for me to be hitting 3500 rpms in first gear after every stop light to just keep pace with traffic.

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I still like this one: http://www.shop.505performance.com/p...&categoryId=30 I ran a 272 on an SOHC 10v I5 motor and it opened up mid and top-end power without sacrificing on the bottom end. $400 with the install kit, really not that bad.

I think the reason people don't do cam installs is they are more labor intensive. You have to pull the radiator to do it (as well as the valve cover, rocker arms, pushrods, and lifters. It's a step beyond bolt-ons but I think it would be cool to do. Now I want a 4.0 to play with. Mods are fun and there's nothing for a V8 worth doing. Maybe I should get my ZJ back from my In-Laws. It broke down a month ago (fuel pump) and they seem to be interested in fixing it.
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That would be a good cam and that is a decent price. But, the probably is that I myself can not do this install I would not know how to do this... Which means I would have to pay someone to do it. D:

Hahaha, I will trade you my I6 for your V8 any day so you can do some mods! The v8 HO does not need ANY more power mods!

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I think you could do it as long as you had someone to supervise/guide you. It's mostly just nuts and bolts. The only real tricky part is setting the cam timing, and even that's not all that tricky. But yeah, it's more involved than things like throttle body spacers and K&N filters.
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I think you could do it as long as you had someone to supervise/guide you. It's mostly just nuts and bolts. The only real tricky part is setting the cam timing, and even that's not all that tricky. But yeah, it's more involved than things like throttle body spacers and K&N filters.
I do have a friend who works a Jeep dealership and could probably help me out. I am tossed back in forth with spending 500 bucks on a cam or spending 1000 on a budget stroker kit. Which I know the stroker kit will have more involved labor but may have more power gains in the end result and could also rebuild the engine too. The last time I tore into the engine (throttle body) I ended up breaking the IAC and mom wasn't to happy.

I might have to stick with some bolt on until I can get some cash for some serious engine mods. Or buy a v8 *rolls eyes*

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I thought you could get a new crankshaft and some 4.2 pistons or something like that... guess not. Yeahh I was wrong on the prices jakesracingengines

Then this keeps popping in my head Golen

I wish I was out of college and had a Job so I could buy toys and such!

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Ahahaha. Lord of the Rings, the longest movies like ever. Yeah that motor is my dream.

Its fun to talk about all this stuff and I appreciate the time. I just hope im not wasting it because the chances of me being able to get the parts/cams/stroker are slim to none at the moment.

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