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post #2386 of 6769 Old 11-20-2011, 09:21 PM Thread Starter
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Ohhh ok. May want to check those out...

How does your 4.0 idle? Mine is still idling the same as it did before the TB and IAC. It still seems a little rough when in Drive...

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Ohhh ok. May want to check those out...

How does your 4.0 idle? Mine is still idling the same as it did before the TB and IAC. It still seems a little rough when in Drive...

Not sure what else to do!
Hmm... mine idles great, I think I even have a video out here somewhere lol! Cold it holds 1000rpmish for a little then settles down warm it will idle somewhere around 650 but very steady in drive its pretty good, a little vibration but barely even noticeable... still steady though. Have you done your fuel filter yet? When I did mine it went from diesel truck vibrating idle to holy crap this thing idles smooth!

Maybe its a tranny issue, not letting the torque converter slip as freely as it wants to?

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Hmm... mine idles great, I think I even have a video out here somewhere lol! Cold it holds 1000rpmish for a little then settles down warm it will idle somewhere around 650 but very steady in drive its pretty good, a little vibration but barely even noticeable... still steady though. Have you done your fuel filter yet? When I did mine it went from diesel truck vibrating idle to holy crap this thing idles smooth!

Maybe its a tranny issue, not letting the torque converter slip as freely as it wants to?
Mine will do the same thing when cold and when warm it will run about 700 rpm. It seems to idle pretty smooth. Noticeable but not acceptable. When in drive it is much rougher.

I have done the fuel filter with in 8k miles too. I really hope that it isnt something trans related... But it is only crappy when in drive.

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I've cleaned my IAC and throttle body. I've got new O2 sensors. I have a new fuel filter/pump module as of last year. New plugs, cap, rotor, coil, etc. as of last year. It idles at around 400 normally. I've no idea why. I've done everything I can think of to improve things. It idles smoother in neutral or park than in drive. It could be more to do with engine mounts. I'm not sure. It is what it is though. I've never had a 4.0 that idled truly smoothly compared to modern engines. A 4.7 Jeep idles like butter in comparison.

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I've cleaned my IAC and throttle body. I've got new O2 sensors. I have a new fuel filter/pump module as of last year. New plugs, cap, rotor, coil, etc. as of last year. It idles at around 400 normally. I've no idea why. I've done everything I can think of to improve things. It idles smoother in neutral or park than in drive. It could be more to do with engine mounts. I'm not sure. It is what it is though. I've never had a 4.0 that idled truly smoothly compared to modern engines. A 4.7 Jeep idles like butter in comparison.
Yeah it really just may be it is what it is. But what I am wondering is why it has gotten worse over the last year or so.

It is really frusturating. Because I sit in anyone else's car and it idles so much better then mine and I get mad

I do not know what to do. It runs, I can take that for what it is worth!

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400... holy moly that must vibrate like hell. I have a buddy with the 4.7 and its amazing, I love that engine so much its one of the best things to come out of Mopar.... aside from the 5.7 Hemi... My buddy has that in his WK and I love that engine too

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warm idle and between reverse neutral and drive (not in that order lol)

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thats weird ...mine idles smooth ...i would record a video so we can see whats going on

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It idles below the mid-way mark under 1000rpm. I don't know why. No one ever seems concerned, actual shops, either. As I said, I've done everything I can think to do. It's not like it's shaking so bad it's coming apart. So I live with it. The Jeep is costing me every last penny I have anymore anyhow.

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Thank your for the post Comp. That is how mine starts, exactly when cold. My rpm's are a tad higher compared to the second video only because the AC is on. I really do not think it is anything to do with the idle anymore rather then trans...

Jerzey: I will see if I can get a video tomorrow. My idle looks pretty much identical to what comp posted. I will see if I can film water shaking or something. Not really sure what to film...

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It idles below the mid-way mark under 1000rpm. I don't know why. No one ever seems concerned, actual shops, either. As I said, I've done everything I can think to do. It's not like it's shaking so bad it's coming apart. So I live with it. The Jeep is costing me every last penny I have anymore anyhow.
Heh sounds like Jeep ownership to me. I seem to remember my old 4.0 ZJ doing a lot of vibrating, my sister is going to bring it back over on tuesday for me to change the oil for her but its been doing that and is damn near close to 200k miles and I let go of it at 120... so I think its survived.

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Thank your for the post Comp. That is how mine starts, exactly when cold. My rpm's are a tad higher compared to the second video only because the AC is on. I really do not think it is anything to do with the idle anymore rather then trans...

Jerzey: I will see if I can get a video tomorrow. My idle looks pretty much identical to what comp posted. I will see if I can film water shaking or something. Not really sure what to film...
Water shaking huh, that sounds wrong... you know it may be idling fine but something isnt dampening the vibrations enough. Maybe you're in need of new motor mounts or a new tranny X-member mount. Hopefully its not something wrong with the torque converter I actually doubt that could be the problem.

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Heh sounds like Jeep ownership to me. I seem to remember my old 4.0 ZJ doing a lot of vibrating, my sister is going to bring it back over on tuesday for me to change the oil for her but its been doing that and is damn near close to 200k miles and I let go of it at 120... so I think its survived.


Water shaking huh, that sounds wrong... you know it may be idling fine but something isnt dampening the vibrations enough. Maybe you're in need of new motor mounts or a new tranny X-member mount. Hopefully its not something wrong with the torque converter I actually doubt that could be the problem.
Yeah it is enough when it is out of gear to barely shake the water. Then when i gear you can clearly see ripples in the water. When I say water, I mean the water in bottle in the cup holder...

How would I go about inspecting engine mounts? That seems like a job that I can not do myself.

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Yeah it is enough when it is out of gear to barely shake the water. Then when i gear you can clearly see ripples in the water. When I say water, I mean the water in bottle in the cup holder...

How would I go about inspecting engine mounts? That seems like a job that I can not do myself.
Inspecting... even my grandma could do it... just looking at them should tell you if they're worn out or not... the rubber should be intact and not broken/cracked and the mount should be centered in the bushing... Changing is not as bad as you'd think. You put a block of wood between a jack and the oil pan (so you dont dent the pan) and support the engine up ever so slightly so the weight is taken off the mounts. Then you change the mounts one at a time out for each other... there... done. Granted, its probably much easier said than done but theres not much to go wrong along the way

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Inspecting... even my grandma could do it... just looking at them should tell you if they're worn out or not... the rubber should be intact and not broken/cracked and the mount should be centered in the bushing... Changing is not as bad as you'd think. You put a block of wood between a jack and the oil pan (so you dont dent the pan) and support the engine up ever so slightly so the weight is taken off the mounts. Then you change the mounts one at a time out for each other... there... done. Granted, its probably much easier said than done but theres not much to go wrong along the way
LOL thanks for the confidence!

I will have to check those out tomorrow for sure. I guess I should think of a plan be if those are in decent shape...

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Got some videos coming soon with the rpms @ cold start and the vibes. They are HD videos so hopefully it will be better. Ill link them to JF then just watch full screen.

I am thinking it may be motor mounts now. I need a bad/good motor mount comparison so when I get in there I know what im looking for....

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Here are some videos and pictures. Ignore the extra second it takes to start. That was because I just turned it off right after I forgot to hit record. Usually fires right up w/o an issue.



Sorry about the music... crappy song on the radio. I did not record all the way to idle down. The picture shows where it settled to when in warmed up. Hope this helps
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