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Unread 02-20-2014, 07:17 PM   #1
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Questions for the guys running winches

Time for me to get a winch. My question for you guys-

1. What brand winch are you running? And on a scale of 1-10, how much do you like it?

2. What type of cable are you running? Steel or synthetic? Please enlighten me on the pros and cons of the two!

3. What (if anything) have you done/added to your electrical system to support the power of the winch?

4. Anything else I should know? And any in-depth answers are GREATLY appreciated!!!

FWIW, I've been eyeballing the Badlands 12k from harbor freight. Yea yea, I know, harbor freight. But I know a few people running it, without any problems. And for about $320 plus tax (using a 20% coupon off the $399 price), its hard not to consider it.

Thanks guys!

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Unread 02-20-2014, 08:00 PM   #2
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Recon 10.5K

...synthetic line. I had one, rebuilt it about two years into it with parts from Recon for like $100 and it still tugs. I liked it so much I bought another and used RTV to seal it- REALLY seal it.

$430 from Truck and Winch. Comes with silver nylon rope, black hook, wireless remote and snatch block.
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Unread 02-20-2014, 08:21 PM   #3
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12 K is an awfully big winch for the WJ. You could easily run 9-9.5 and be fine. As stated earlier, go for synthetic line. It is much lighter and if in the unlikely event that it breaks while winching, there is not the violent whiplash that occurs with steel cable. As far as electrical, just make sure you battery and alt or in good shape and functioning properly and you will be good to go. How are you intending to mount this, on a bumper or removable cradle?
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Unread 02-20-2014, 08:31 PM   #4
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Getting a bumper made should be done next week. I just figured might as well go big. Is there any significant reason for going too big?
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Unread 02-20-2014, 09:36 PM   #5
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Getting a bumper made should be done next week. I just figured might as well go big. Is there any significant reason for going too big?
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Unread 02-20-2014, 09:53 PM   #6
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Im adding 3/4 inch spacers to compensate for the weight.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 07:15 AM   #7
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You should be fine then. FYI; I believe Petersen's recently did an article on the Badlands series of winches and they gave it very favorable marks. Make sure you post up some pics when you are done. Have a great weekend.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 07:20 AM   #8
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I bought the Badlands 12,000 winch for $299 at Harbor Freight. I hated to "go Chinese" but I did anyway. I do believe between the prices and reviews on the Badland winches other winch suppliers have reduced prices.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 12:35 PM   #9
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10.5 Recon, synthetic rope; so far so good it's pulled everything I've hooked it to.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 01:19 PM   #10
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I'm using a Superwinch LP8500 that ran me about $275. I wish i could take it underwater and didn't have parts that were so quickly rust prone. It's got the standard metal line and overall it works for what I need. As far as electrical, I'm running an aftermarket radio and small 10" sub/amp combo on the stock set up plus the winch. I just gotta be smart about how the power is being used.

As far as the rust:
I installed the winch and had no cover yet or oil to throw on it. It was toward the end of fall and started raining as I was going in for work. Threw some towels over it and came out after my shift and wiped it down. A few days later there was surface rust on the selector that wiped easily. Now it's oiled and bagged.
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Unread 02-21-2014, 05:48 PM   #11
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Getting a bumper made should be done next week. I just figured might as well go big. Is there any significant reason for going too big?
When shopping winches oftentimes big pull ratings means slow pull and slow rewind speed. Typically low end 12,000# winches are low geared versions of an 8 or 10,000# winch.

A few things I notice, on the Badlands 12,000. This winch has a really slow 16.4 FPM rewind speed, that is because the gear ratio is 265:1. It only has a 90 day warranty, it only holds 65ft of cable, it weighs 85lbs. Going from the prices used imported winches sell for its resale value is likely going to be next to nothing. It may be a fine winch but that short warranty period tells me they are not so sure.

So far I have resisted buying Chinese because the brand come and go. I have 2 winches at the moment, a Warn HS9500 and a M8000. I paid less than $500 shipped for each. The Warn I have on my WJ is the M8000. The M8000 will break the steel cable that comes on the winch if you jog it after it is really tight so pull is not a problem. The rewind speed is 30.2 fpm, the gear ratio is 216:1, it holds 100 ft of cable, it weighs 74 lbs. The Warranty is lifetime for mechanical and one year for electrical. Warn resale value is very good. If I need more pull I can always 2 part the line then it will out pull a 12,000# winch and nearly equal it for line speed and line length.

Warn has a rebate of up to $150 right now, I see Warn M8000 winches for as low as $483 shipped after rebate, some shopping might turn up a better price.

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http://www.4wheelparts.com/Winches-W...&t_pn=WAR26502

http://www.4wheelparts.com/aux_incl/...ebate-2014.pdf
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Unread 02-25-2014, 08:40 PM   #12
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There was an article that was extremely enlightening about winches and the demands placed on them, I'll have to see if I can find it again..
Basically, if you are going up a 10º grade in a v8 zj, stuck up to the axles in mud, zero extra weight in the jeep, you would need a 15,000lb winch line to barely go up to the safety margin to prevent the line from instantly snapping should you snag a small log or big branch or something. of course 90% of those with winches are in the 8,000-12,000lb ratings so that tells you the factory safety margins are pretty hefty as is most of the time
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Unread 02-25-2014, 09:35 PM   #13
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T-Max 12.5k lb winch = Had it for 8 years. Hundreds of pulls without hesitation.
Steel cable = I have never personally seen a steel cable break. Have seen 3 synthetic ones break (Because they were drug over rock) and several people using frayed ones. Synthetic rope needs to be kept extremely clean. Any dirt in it will start cutting it on hard pulls. But they are way lighter and you can carry a spare and they will both be lighter than the steel one.
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Unread 02-25-2014, 09:47 PM   #14
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What's an average amp draw on a larger winch?
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Unread 02-25-2014, 10:43 PM   #15
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What's an average amp draw on a larger winch?
It's different among the different brands but it seems to stay 250 to 300 amp draw normal, up to around 450a draw on max load for some

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