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Unread 08-02-2013, 11:21 PM   #16
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So I checked out the '04 WJ Overland this evening. Overall, it looked really nice. It ran well and the interior was well-kept. I only noticed a few issues.

Underneath the car was a lot of dried mud, but parts like the transfer case were completely clean. So I think I could easily clean off the mud down there if I needed to. I don't think it's really causing any problems...mainly just indication that it's been 4-wheeled.

I checked the HVAC diagnostics and got the codes 51, 54, 56 which indicate the blend doors are opening too far...I'd rather they open too far than too short, honestly. Otherwise, I was able to get heat and a/c and all of the blower functions worked. I was able hear the doors opening and closing as it switched between modes. I'm not sure if that's an issue.

I checked the On-board diagnostics and got no codes. The airbag and seatbelt lights were on, though, and never turned off even with a passenger wearing her seatbelt. I also noticed that the cruise control didn't work. The light would come on, but it wouldn't stay at a speed. I asked the guy about it. He said he took it to the dealer to have it checked out. He said one of the sensors in the seatbelt latches was messed up and was causing the airbag and seatbelt lights to light up. Apparently whenever those lights are on, it won't go into cruise control. He says it would cost about $100 to repair at the dealership. Can anyone verify that?

I noticed a couple of spots on the hood with some rust. It looked like it had been covered up with something and then painted over. If rust is anywhere on the car, I think I'd prefer it on the hood since that seems like a pretty simple/inexpensive piece to replace later on if I needed to.

Do any of those issues throw up major red flags?

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Unread 08-06-2013, 12:11 PM   #17
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I checked this '04 WJ's Carfax and it looks clean. It's basically a single owner. The guy selling it just bought it in March and he's only the second owner. Everything else checked out.

I had it looked at by the local Jeep specialist and for the most part, he reported that everything looked good. Mechanically, all of the parts operated well and the fluids looked good. He recommended flushing the brake fluid and replacing the transmission fluid. He also recommended replacing the radiator hoses as they are original...150k miles. I find this interesting because the seller said they just replaced the radiator, so I don't understand why you would replace the radiator and not the hoses. Seems like a waste of time and coolant.

There are some aesthetic things like small scratchs that would probably buff out, the dents on the hood as I mentioned before, torn up splash shields around the tires, and the mud underneath. Also, the driver's side mirror has some messed up silvering on the bottom half. The mechanic said the chromatic replacements are about $300...or you can just do normal glass for about $50. I will also add here that the driver's seat has an issue with the front lifter mechanism...all of the other directions work, but the front that goes up/down doesn't work. Also the brake pedal doesn't adjust properly...the gas pedal works fine, but not the brake...not sure that that's a serious issue, but it's worth noting.

So here are the major issues which could be a $5 fuse or a $500 part/installation. As I mentioned previously, the airbag and seat belt lights don't turn off. He said the Airbag Control Module (ACM) was not responding according to the code they pulled. The seat belt light could be a messed up sensor in the buckle or it could be something more serious. Also the cruise control doesn't work. The light comes on, but it doesn't set. All of these things could be linked to the same issue, or it could all be different. I'm pretty sure I would need to have this fixed before it would pass inspection.

So what are your thoughts? Is it worth pursuing further?
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Unread 08-06-2013, 10:03 PM   #18
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Is the 5.9 sold? 80k on the odo and $6000 is close but if the car fax checks out and you can get it for closer to $5000 you gotta do it. Only made 1 yr. it will soon be approaching collector car/SUV status. There's tons of WJs Overlands out there (I own an 02' and previously owned a 5.9) I love the WJ but always dream about having the 5.9 back. Good luck.
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Unread 08-06-2013, 10:24 PM   #19
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I did check the Carfax on the 5.9. It looks good expect for an odometer issue. I think it's a clerical error, but I don't know how to prove that. So resale might be difficult later, and I'm not sure how that would affect the collector value. Basically, the mileage increases about 3000-6000 each year. Then it gets to about 70k, then jumps to 174k, then 178k, then back to 82k, then 84k. Those are rough numbers, but that's the idea.
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Unread 08-06-2013, 10:55 PM   #20
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I did check the Carfax on the 5.9. It looks good expect for an odometer issue. I think it's a clerical error, but I don't know how to prove that. So resale might be difficult later, and I'm not sure how that would affect the collector value. Basically, the mileage increases about 3000-6000 each year. Then it gets to about 70k, then jumps to 174k, then 178k, then back to 82k, then 84k. Those are rough numbers, but that's the idea.
Looks clerical but check obvious wear n tear spots . . And gas pedal/brake pedal. I would try and test drive em both within a couple hours of eachother and decide. I know it's not that easy but it might help.
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Unread 08-06-2013, 11:12 PM   #21
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If I were to go the collector route, what kind of things would I be able to do with it? I'm convened I wouldn't be able to wheel in it or add a lift and that kinda thing. I'm also concerned that it wouldn't be suitable as a daily driver...I only drive about 5k/yr on average, but still. I don't know that I'm the right owner to take on the responsibility of that 5.9...like I wouldn't do it justice.
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Unread 08-06-2013, 11:31 PM   #22
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Haha. I'm not not the right guy to tell u what u can and can't do with the ZJ because mine was kept stock but I've seen all the options with WJs (thru the forum) and lifts seem readily available so if that's what your lookin for the WJ might be the hotter rig right now.
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Unread 08-08-2013, 06:36 PM   #23
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I wanted to get some thoughts on my long-term planning concept and make sure I don't start out down a dead end path.

04 WJ Overland:
4" IRO LA Lift
32" Tires (not sure which width because of the spare issue...I would consider a roof rack, but my garage door is only 7' tall and I don't the spare would fit on top)
Would I need wheel spacers if I use the stock wheels?
Will I have issues with the Quadradrive running 32s? What is the common solution for repairing/replacing the vari-locks?

98 ZJ 5.9L
4.5" LA Lift (not sure which brand)
32" Tires (see above)
There is a LSD in the rear. Is there a good solution for locking the front and still using it as a DD? Is the only option a selectable locker like ARB, Eaton, OX?
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Unread 08-08-2013, 06:47 PM   #24
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How far are you from IL?? Just found this on craigs.
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Unread 08-08-2013, 07:55 PM   #25
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Too far from IL. I'm in the Dallas-area.
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Unread 08-08-2013, 09:04 PM   #26
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Plane ticket and road trip !
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Unread 08-09-2013, 09:02 AM   #27
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Ha! It looks like a good deal, but I'm not desperate enough to spend $600 on airfare and then drive drive a 1000 miles. Suddenly the 69k for $7.9k becomes 70k for $8.7k...and then I might not even like it once I get there.
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Unread 08-09-2013, 09:51 PM   #28
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I looked at the 80k-mile 9er tonight. That thing is a beast! It was very clean. He has records of pretty much every maintenance service. The only issue I noticed was the a/c piping under the hood was pretty rusty. There was also some chipped paint on the roof rails, a crack on a window visor, and the rear center lap belt didn't retract (really only an issue for child seats). My main concern, I think is the 11.7 mpg. Road tripping to CO would be quite expensive...

There is another guy looking at it tomorrow. If it isn't sold then, I asked him to take it to a local mechanic for a pre-purchase inspection. Then I will need to make my decision: 9er, '04 Overland or '05 TJ?
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Unread 08-10-2013, 09:41 PM   #29
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Such different things! Overland is most practical. Others are fun in different ways. Good luck....no matter what, pics or it didn't happen!
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Unread 08-10-2013, 09:50 PM   #30
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Oh certainly. There will be pictures and a build thread as soon as I make the decision.
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