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Unread 07-14-2014, 01:34 AM   #1
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My ZJ helped catch a wrong way driver

Was following a friend around midnight on the freeway when he noticed this guy zig zagging all over the road about a mile up, my friend then called me and asked if could see this guy. After noticing him I passed my friend and sped up to try to get a better look at this guy in an old Celica. It took me about a minute to get close enough to see this guy doing some insane stuff. Called 911 to report it because it was that bad. He's going between 80-100 for awhile, maybe more, darting left and right wildly. He then gets off the freeway and runs the red light nearly hitting a car and gets right back on the freeway up the ramp, all while I was trying to give my location to the highway patrol. After a few minutes of speeding up and slowing down, this guy does a U TURN right in front of me, all the while nearly hitting the concrete divider! He then was going the wrong way down a major interstate right down the hammer lane! I did not follow him of course.. Eventually the crazy mofo passes my friend who stayed back to let me catch up to this guy. Shortly after my friend called in to give a better description of the car and the operator said they had caught him. This car could have killed some people easily.

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Unread 07-14-2014, 01:48 AM   #2
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Was following a friend around midnight on the freeway when he noticed this guy zig zagging all over the road about a mile up, my friend then called me and asked if could see this guy. After noticing him I passed my friend and sped up to try to get a better look at this guy in an old Celica. It took me about a minute to get close enough to see this guy doing some insane stuff. Called 911 to report it because it was that bad. He's going between 80-100 for awhile, maybe more, darting left and right wildly. He then gets off the freeway and runs the red light nearly hitting a car and gets right back on the freeway up the ramp, all while I was trying to give my location to the highway patrol. After a few minutes of speeding up and slowing down, this guy does a U TURN right in front of me, all the while nearly hitting the concrete divider! He then was going the wrong way down a major interstate right down the hammer lane! Eventually the crazy mofo passes my friend who stayed back to let me chase this guy. Shortly after my friend called in to give a better description of the car and the operator said they had caught him. This car could have killed some people easily.
You could have also killed some people easily by chasing him. Or yourself.
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Unread 07-14-2014, 02:00 AM   #3
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He also helped get the guy off the road sooner. Police arent the only ones who are allowed to make the streets safe. I think hes a responsible citizen.
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Unread 07-14-2014, 02:01 AM   #4
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You could have also killed some people easily by chasing him. Or yourself.
You're freakin kidding me right? Nobody was between me and this other guy and I stayed back hundreds of feet most of the time.
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Unread 07-14-2014, 02:13 AM   #5
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You're freakin kidding me right? Nobody was between me and this other guy and I stayed back hundreds of feet most of the time.
No, not kidding. Get a description of the vehicle and the direction it's traveling to the dispatcher and call it a night. It's wreckless to chase him at a similar speed that he's going.
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Unread 07-14-2014, 02:14 AM   #6
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He also helped get the guy off the road sooner. Police arent the only ones who are allowed to make the streets safe. I think hes a responsible citizen.
Well legally speaking, they are actually. There's nothing responsible about chasing after someone at 100MPH.
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No, not kidding. Get a description of the vehicle and the direction it's traveling to the dispatcher and call it a night. It's wreckless to chase him at a similar speed that he's going.
Actually they asked me to keep him in sight and thats exactly what I did. I couldnt get a description as far away as he was until he stopped and made the u-turn.
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Well legally speaking, they are actually. There's nothing responsible about chasing after someone at 100MPH.
I never hit 100.
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That's interesting. I'm a certified ETC, and it's against protocol to instruct someone to follow another vehicle like that, especially at such high speeds. Anyways, glad you came out ok, and that they caught him.
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Unread 07-14-2014, 02:26 AM   #10
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Its actually legal to make citizens arrests if the other person is commiting a felony. Its frowned upon because people think random citizens dont have necessary judgment skills to fully do one, but legally you can. Hes alive and well, so clearly he can take care of himself. I see nothing wrong with what he did.
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Its actually legal to make citizens arrests if the other person is commiting a felony. Its frowned upon because people think random citizens dont have necessary judgment skills to fully do one, but legally you can. Hes alive and well, so clearly he can take care of himself. I see nothing wrong with what he did.
Please cite a law that says that citizens arrests are legal. It's frowned upon because you can be slapped with kidnapping/imprisonment charges.
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It varies state to state, so do your own research. You have to have evidence to prove that the person is guilty just as a police officer does. Otherwise you could sue the officer just as you would sue a citizen. Nobody does them anymore, so its a bit unheard of and probably sketchy, but that doesnt mean your right is taken away.
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It varies state to state, so do your own research. You have to have evidence to prove that the person is guilty just as a police officer does. Otherwise you could sue the officer just as you would sue a citizen. Nobody does them anymore, so its a bit unheard of and probably sketchy, but that doesnt mean your right is taken away.
Making a citizens arrest is not a "right". Not sure where you're getting your information from, but I'd recommend brushing up on the law before you try something like that and end up in jail next to the guy you were trying to stop. The fact that those are legal is a common misconception. Unless you're a sworn officer, it's by no means legal to hold anyone against their will, even if they committed a crime.
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Unread 07-14-2014, 02:32 PM   #14
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Straight from the Texas Department of Public Safety: "Article 14.01 of the Code of Criminal Procedure states the conditions that allow a private person to make an arrest. Article 14.01 “Offense within view” A peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant , arrest an offender when their offense is committed in his presence or within his view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense against the public peace."

"Article 15.22 of the Code of Criminal Procedure states that: A person is arrested when he has been actually placed under restraint or taken into custody by an officer or person executing a warrant of arrest, or by an officer or person arresting without a warrant."

Welcome to Texas.
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Straight from the Texas Department of Public Safety: "Article 14.01 of the Code of Criminal Procedure states the conditions that allow a private person to make an arrest. Article 14.01 “Offense within view” A peace officer or any other person, may, without a warrant , arrest an offender when their offense is committed in his presence or within his view, if the offense is one classed as a felony or as an offense against the public peace."

"Article 15.22 of the Code of Criminal Procedure states that: A person is arrested when he has been actually placed under restraint or taken into custody by an officer or person executing a warrant of arrest, or by an officer or person arresting without a warrant."

Welcome to Texas.
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