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Unread 06-19-2013, 03:30 AM   #46
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The problem here is perception. It's all very well saying you've seen stats on the internet which says nothing needs to be done, (and worked it out in your head) but that's not going to change public image.

This made international news with the BBC yesterday, it's going to hammer the second hand value of GC's.

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Unread 06-19-2013, 04:20 AM   #47
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Like they had any to start with. The real pain in the *** will be when you get your next renewal notice and they say "oops you are driving one of THOSE" and we need 40 or 50 $ more a year, or a month or whatever.
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Unread 06-19-2013, 05:03 AM   #48
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Like they had any to start with. The real pain in the *** will be when you get your next renewal notice and they say "oops you are driving one of THOSE" and we need 40 or 50 $ more a year, or a month or whatever.
The diesels in the UK still hold their value reasonably well. V8's are indeed rock bottom here. Although I guess diesels don't suffer the same issue?

Very good point on insurance.
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Unread 06-19-2013, 10:44 AM   #49
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Like they had any to start with. The real pain in the *** will be when you get your next renewal notice and they say "oops you are driving one of THOSE" and we need 40 or 50 $ more a year, or a month or whatever.
I bet the insurance will do the math just like we did and see that it is not very probable to happen. I doubt because of the recall your insurance is going to go up.
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Unread 06-19-2013, 10:49 AM   #50
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I bet the insurance will do the math just like we did and see that it is not very probable to happen. I doubt because of the recall your insurance is going to go up.
If anything it will go down because it doesn't cost much to insure a POS
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Unread 06-19-2013, 12:14 PM   #51
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Say's in the article all Jeeps affected will receive trailer hitch's if unequipped.


DETROIT Chrysler avoided a showdown with government safety regulators Tuesday, agreeing to recall 2.7 million older Jeep Grand Cherokee and Liberty SUVs that could be at risk of a fuel tank fire.

Earlier this month the company defiantly refused the government's request to recall the Jeeps. But Chrysler now says it will go ahead with the recall after getting calls from concerned customers.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration contended that the Jeep's gas tank could rupture if hit from the rear, causing a fire. NHTSA said 51 people had died in fiery crashes in Jeeps with gas tanks positioned behind the rear axle.

The recall covers Jeep Grand Cherokees from model years 1993 through 2004 and Jeep Libertys from 2002 through 2007.

Chrysler said Tuesday that dealers will inspect the vehicles and install trailer hitches to protect the gas tanks. The company said vehicles without hitches will get them, as will those with broken hitches or hitches that aren't from Chrysler.

In a statement, Chrysler maintained that the vehicles aren't defective, despite prior statements to the contrary from NHTSA.

Chrysler wouldn't say how much the trailer hitches would cost.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/...#ixzz2WbDED2aG


Apparently FOX was inaccurate on their report when they claimed the WJ's were included. According to Chrysler's Blog the WJ's need not be alarmed unless an aftermarket hitch had been installed. WJ's without a hitch need not be concerned?

I find this confusing. The pictured Jeep from the accident that killed a child (published by a lawfirm) clearly shows a WJ. This seems logical to me considering the WJ's have a lower? fuel tank from the redesign of spare tire well.

Here's Chryslers Blog..

http://blog.chryslerllc.com/entry/21...n1913Facebook2
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Unread 06-19-2013, 12:21 PM   #52
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Apparently FOX was inaccurate on their report when they claimed the WJ's were included. According to Chrysler's Blog the WJ's need not be alarmed unless an aftermarket hitch had been installed. WJ's without a hitch need not be concerned?

I find this confusing. The pictured Jeep from the accident that killed a child (published by a lawfirm) clearly shows a WJ. This seems logical to me considering the WJ's have a lower? fuel tank from the redesign of spare tire well.

Here's Chryslers Blog..

http://blog.chryslerllc.com/entry/21...n1913Facebook2
It says owners of the 99-04 WJ's don't need to bring it in if they have no hitch or if the hitch is a factory installed Mopar hitch. I think what they are saying is that aftermarket hitches may have sharp edges that can rupture the tank.
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Unread 06-19-2013, 12:46 PM   #53
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It says owners of the 99-04 WJ's don't need to bring it in if they have no hitch or if the hitch is a factory installed Mopar hitch. I think what they are saying is that aftermarket hitches may have sharp edges that can rupture the tank.

So any ZJ without a hitch gets one for protection, but an identical situation on a WJ gets nothing? That's the point that I find confusing..

I'm under the impression the WJ's were the primary source behind this safety recall..
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Unread 06-19-2013, 12:56 PM   #54
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So any ZJ without a hitch gets one for protection, but an identical situation on a WJ gets nothing? That's the point that I find confusing..

I'm under the impression the WJ's were the primary source behind this safety recall..
Maybe just another way the Feds are trying to devalue SUV's. Go after the number one seller. Probably didn't pick Ford because they are in bed with them for a clean energy car.
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Unread 06-19-2013, 01:04 PM   #55
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So any ZJ without a hitch gets one for protection, but an identical situation on a WJ gets nothing? That's the point that I find confusing..

I'm under the impression the WJ's were the primary source behind this safety recall..
There was a plate installed on WJs after 2002 I think that was designed to mitigate the risk. Someone posted a pic over in the WJ section
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Unread 06-19-2013, 01:42 PM   #56
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There was a plate installed on WJs after 2002 I think that was designed to mitigate the risk. Someone posted a pic over in the WJ section

I hadn't seen that thread or mention of the plate, thanks for that.

The wife's WJ is a pre-02 Laredo, I know it's had the PCM upgrade and Akebono's done by dealer... i'll have to look at it and see if they also added this plate.

IIRC it has a fuel skid that's rotting on one corner, guess i'll look for a replacement and hitch at the yards. I do want the Mrs to be protected as much as possible now that I know of this issue... regardless if the mass' say it's necessary or not. Better safe than sorry when it comes to my family.

My ZJ already has a skid and hitch added.. i'm not concerned about my rig.
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Unread 06-20-2013, 12:23 PM   #57
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So what about all the tow bars from 3th parties?

Some have a big name in the tow bar business.

Their products are of equal or better design than the original Mopar part because of European legislation.

Like Thule (made in Sweden), Westfalia (made in Germany) or Witter (made in the UK).

Are they worthless now?

I am in the market for a tow bar for my WJ now.

What if I have a Witter tow bar fitted?

What if I ignore the recall and have an accident and my car catches fire?

The insurance could refuse to cover my loss, saying I am partly to blame perhaps?

The recall creates more problems than it solves.
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Do the tank tuck mod and don't worry about it.
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Unread 06-21-2013, 03:07 PM   #59
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Does anyone know if it will just be the hitch or will the dealer install the wiring harness also so we can actually use it for towing? Otherwise they will have to include a disclaimer it is illegal to use the hitch with no trailer lights etc so maybe they will just include the wiring.
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Unread 06-22-2013, 09:57 PM   #60
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Does anyone know if it will just be the hitch or will the dealer install the wiring harness also so we can actually use it for towing? Otherwise they will have to include a disclaimer it is illegal to use the hitch with no trailer lights etc so maybe they will just include the wiring.
I'm sure they will install the wiring if you pay for it,it's not listed so don't get your hopes up.Don't expect a classIII or higher hitch either as that would mean the HD cooling would need to be installed and that ain't going to happen either so your most likely looking at a classII hitch which is limited to like 2500lbs max.
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