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post #1 of 47 Old 05-31-2013, 03:40 PM Thread Starter
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Body protection, exoskeleton tubing size.

Ok guys, we have a nice electric conduit pipe bender. I want to do a type of exoskeleton. This isn't protection from a roll over, this is basically body panel protection. So now when its a tight spot in the trails I don't have to worry about dents. I can slide into and bounce off trees when I need to... which I will do this all the time.

Sense this is a conduit bender I have to use IMC conduit, not as strong as DOM but its all we can bend. We can do all sizes of conduit.

The plan is to come from the bumper to the rock slides, protecting the fenders, front & rear. To reinforce the fender area we will be going across the bottom window connecting both sides of the skeleton. I will also be cutting holes in the body and doing the same thing at the rear fenders, tubing will be ran through the rear cargo area. Possibly going up to protect the top of the jeep, but not sure just yet.

My question is do you think 1" conduit (which is like 1.25" OD) be enough protection?

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post #2 of 47 Old 05-31-2013, 03:46 PM
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Why would you try and protect the roof if you're not using it as a role cage? I'm not a fan of using tubing for protection. Steel plates bent to lay flat to body is the best protection from trees and rocks. The issue I see is if it's tube and you smash it hard enough, it's going to pressure 1 spot on the body. Now with my experience driving through tress, i've had a few inches of cleareance in some spots. A tube sticking out is asking to get hit IMO.

To answer your last question. I think it's strong enough to provide protection. Just not how I'd go about it.

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post #3 of 47 Old 05-31-2013, 04:04 PM Thread Starter
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Tubing up top is for slanted trees or maybe coming into a tight spot articulated where the top might hit a tree. I shouldn't be hitting any trees hard with this. You know how it is..., your in some rough slippery spot probably doing <15 mph, the tires are doing 50mph you start sliding towards a tree, normally you got stop and re evaluate, now I can just keep it going and bounce off or rub past the tree.

Not sure on the tubing layout yet, just go the bender a week ago and trying to get 100' of steel this weekend.
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Gave my opinion, If you're cutting through your roof, there's no point not to make it into a roll cage IMO.

Do what you want, your jeep.

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post #5 of 47 Old 05-31-2013, 04:29 PM
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I really wouldn't bother with conduit, why not just plate armor and (real) tube fender reinforcement?

If you're not worried about your jeep looking like **** with an exocage and holes in the roof why do you care about protecting the body?

IMO you're going to end up in a situation where the cage fails because it's not a cage and you're going to be screwed.

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If you're not worried about your jeep looking like **** with an exocage and holes in the roof why do you care about protecting the body?

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decent rock sliders will help alot. but a conduit cage of sorts will most likely end up looking worse than the dents will.

and these ZJ bodies will take a surprising amount of abuse and keep the windows in tact and doors operational.

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post #7 of 47 Old 05-31-2013, 10:21 PM Thread Starter
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Dood its not holes in the roof, its holes going through the cargo area. ...much different. :/

I already have rock sliders. Locked front and rear, winch, 5 speed, 5.5" lift, 33s, no front sway bar, etc. Its a wheeler, gotta slide off trees without body damage, thats it. No body damage, im trying to look good with my AC and pretty purple jeep on the trails like a pimp.

These steel plate recommendations I don't understand. Pics or gtfo.
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Dude built some sweet rear quarters that Im gonna build soon. Do these

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Yeh dyn0mitemat has one of the sickest rigs on here, his armor is a good design.

If you're locked and lifted like that why not get a real pipe bender and do it right the first time? You don't sound like a punk kid with galvy flashing for a bumper. I guess I don't get it.

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To answer your original question, I wouldn't go below 1.5 inch for something like a cage.

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post #11 of 47 Old 05-31-2013, 11:07 PM
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So how are you planning on protecting the parts where there isn't a little piece of 1" tube?
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post #12 of 47 Old 06-01-2013, 04:14 AM
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He's gonna use grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.


To the user who posted, pics or gtfo? Maybe you need to chill out or have some mandatory time away from JF.

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Dood its not holes in the roof, its holes going through the cargo area. ...much different. :/

I already have rock sliders. Locked front and rear, winch, 5 speed, 5.5" lift, 33s, no front sway bar, etc. Its a wheeler, gotta slide off trees without body damage, thats it. No body damage, im trying to look good with my AC and pretty purple jeep on the trails like a pimp.

These steel plate recommendations I don't understand. Pics or gtfo.
use the search button and google. Look for yourself, don't come to a forum and ask for opinions and then get all macho defensive when we suggest better ideas.

and if it's a real offroader/crawler don't be a dumba** and put in a roll cage. Or let darwin take over. I'm ok with either.

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Dood its not holes in the roof, its holes going through the cargo area. ...much different. :/

I already have rock sliders. Locked front and rear, winch, 5 speed, 5.5" lift, 33s, no front sway bar, etc. Its a wheeler, gotta slide off trees without body damage, thats it. No body damage, im trying to look good with my AC and pretty purple jeep on the trails like a pimp.

These steel plate recommendations I don't understand. Pics or gtfo.
decent sliders should save your body.


IMO do a CORRECT cage, don't cheap out and build a useless "cage" with conduit.

if you are that worried about the body, drive with more finesse. the brute force method of wheeling may work, but if you can make it clean ( no damage) then it is even better.

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post #15 of 47 Old 06-01-2013, 07:52 PM Thread Starter
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Ws seem to have some misunderstandings here. I'm not acting macho, its sarcastic humor and I think it was fairly clear.

Now driving with finesse? This is tight michigan woods trails, if the trees are only 3" wider than your jeep, the mud/water is deep and its its on a slope or covered in additional obstacles, finesse it all day you're rubbing a tree. Sliders are great until they stop and you crumple a fender and/or bust a tail light. (i have stage2 sliders already btw)

Guess I gotta show you guys whats up. Its going to be a slow project but pics will be posted.

Not sure if I would call this a cheap bender, $3500. http://www.toolup.com/greenlee_555dx...gEAbQ&skinid=5
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