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Unread 06-25-2011, 04:04 PM   #841
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Finally the long arms!! Thats awesome that they came in man, cant wait to see them installed. I think when i finally get around to some long arms i may go the clayton route as well. As for the ford axles, i say go for it. We dont get to many f350's with bad wheel bearings in our shop, so i dont see them being a problem. Like you said, if they can handle the weight of the truck, they should handle everything your going to throw at them. The only downfall i could see to them is if they were those stupid auto vacum actuated hubs, those things tend to leak once they get a little older. The good thing is if they are the vacum hubs, and they do leak, you can bypass it by turning the hub from auto to lock. So i guess they really may not be that much of an issue anyways.

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Unread 06-25-2011, 04:58 PM   #842
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Nice! I'm loving my Clayton kit! I bet your pretty stoked! Can't wait to see it all done!
Hell yea I am!

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yeah they got hit hard my dad lost his house, i went down with a uhaul about a week after and helped him move what little he had left to his parents house.....it was a mess down there

looking forward to some install pics
Sorry to hear that man. Hope things look up for them soon. There is still stuff in shambles around the Athens area going up Hwy 31 north. I passed by quite a bit on my way back from Florence.

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Finally the long arms!! Thats awesome that they came in man, cant wait to see them installed. I think when i finally get around to some long arms i may go the clayton route as well. As for the ford axles, i say go for it. We dont get to many f350's with bad wheel bearings in our shop, so i dont see them being a problem. Like you said, if they can handle the weight of the truck, they should handle everything your going to throw at them. The only downfall i could see to them is if they were those stupid auto vacum actuated hubs, those things tend to leak once they get a little older. The good thing is if they are the vacum hubs, and they do leak, you can bypass it by turning the hub from auto to lock. So i guess they really may not be that much of an issue anyways.
Thanks man. Good to hear about the unit bearings. And I planned up just using the manual hubs and not worrying about the vacuum actuated stuff.
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Unread 07-01-2011, 11:52 AM   #843
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Unread 07-01-2011, 11:55 AM   #844
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HOLY CRAP THOSE LOOK BIG! what are they out of? the f-350 you were talking about? Thats awesome bama. Your rig is about to be SICK!!

i cant stop looking at them
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Unread 07-01-2011, 03:27 PM   #845
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HOLY CRAP THOSE LOOK BIG! what are they out of? the f-350 you were talking about? Thats awesome bama. Your rig is about to be SICK!!

i cant stop looking at them
I hear you man. When you see them under a F-350 you kind of just think "eh, its a decent sized axle." Then you look at them up close in the bed of a Ford Ranger and they're huge.

But yea, the front is out of the same 2003 F-350 I was talking about while the rear is out of a 1999 F-250 work truck. They're out of the same generation F-Series truck, so everything is basically the same. Next step is some cleaning and getting the brackets off.

37s here I come!
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Unread 07-01-2011, 04:36 PM   #846
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Unread 07-01-2011, 10:50 PM   #847
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Finally got enough man power get these things off the truck. Those suckers are heavy! Didn't get to break them down to much cause it was getting dark. I did pull the cover on the Sterling and found that it had clean looking fluid, even gear wear and 4.10s. Sprayed everything down with some penetrating oil for some disassembly tomorrow.

More pictures to come tomorrow.
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Had a long day today working on the axles. Probably worked a good 5 hours on them. By 4PM, the heat was just getting to be to much for me. Pretty much got the HP60 all torn down and ready for brackets. The only thing left in it are the gears/carrier. Got the leaf perches off the S10.5, that's about it.

On to some pictures...

Some before shots:











Inside of the HP60:





D60 Shafts:





Inside the S10.5:





Here is what I ended up with at the end of the day:







More to come...
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Unread 07-02-2011, 05:29 PM   #850
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Aint wasting any time are ya? hey how far are ya from Selma?
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Aint wasting any time are ya? hey how far are ya from Selma?
Sure ain't man!

And I'm probably about 2.5 to 3 hours from Selma, AL.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 06:41 PM   #852
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In that case PM me how much you want for both diffs, the gears and install kits, and the tie rod. My buddy lives in selma and is coming to Ohio soon. give me prices in them individually please.
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Unread 07-02-2011, 07:01 PM   #853
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Nice pickup. Skip the 37s, that setup needs at least 40s

What are your plans for reinforcing the unibody?
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In that case PM me how much you want for both diffs, the gears and install kits, and the tie rod. My buddy lives in selma and is coming to Ohio soon. give me prices in them individually please.
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Nice pickup. Skip the 37s, that setup needs at least 40s

What are your plans for reinforcing the unibody?
I think 37s will do fine for right now. 40s are way to much for me.

And I was thinking about unibody stiffening earlier. I planning on talking to Greg about some fish plates. Would be perfect for his Torchmate! Definitely thinking about putting some plate in the front where the springs are. Maybe Greg can enlighten the subject with a small amount of tech on this.

Now, I'll offer a little bit of tech for the folks here on JF or anyone that might find their way here through Google/Yahoo/Bing/etc.

In doing research about the front axle in particular, its pretty easy to mistake a solid axle Dana 50 and Dana 60 out of a Ford F-Series. Basically everything on the outside LOOKS the same but the internals are very different. Here are some facts about both from Randy's R&P (for Ford trucks):

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Dana 50 Front, Straight Axle

Ring Gear Diameter: 9.000
Cover Bolts: 10
Ring Gear Bolts: 10
Spline Count: 30
Dropout: False
Pinion Support: False
Carrier Breaks: none
Rear Suspension:
Pinion Nut Size: 1-1/8

Compatible with Models:
Excursion: 2000 - 2005 (Front)
F-250 3/4 Ton: 1999 - 1999 (Front)
F-450: 1999 - 2005 (Front)
Super Duty F-250 3/4 Ton: 1997 - 2004 (Front)
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Dana 60 Reverse Rotation Front

Ring Gear Diameter: 9.750
Cover Bolts: 10
Ring Gear Bolts: 12
Spline Count: 35
Dropout: False
Pinion Support: False
Carrier Breaks: 4.10 / 4.56
Rear Suspension:
Pinion Nut Size: 1-5/16

Compatible with Models:
F-250 3/4 Ton: 1999 - 1999 (Front)
F-350 1 Ton: 1978 - 1997 (Front)
F-450: 1999 - 2004 (Front)
F-550: 2000 - 2004 (Front)
Super Duty F-250 3/4 Ton: 1999 - 2004 (Front)
Super Duty F-350 1 Ton: 1997 - 2004 (Front)
Another notable difference is the pinion nut size. I actually used this when I was at the salvage yard to be 100% sure they were giving me a D60 and not a D50. Reason I didn't trust them was because they said the front end out of the F-250 was EXACTLY the same. As soon as they brought over the axles I put the 1-5/16" socket I had with me on the pinion to make sure. Now I wouldn't say the D50 is necessarily a bad axle, its just that the aftermarket sucks for it.

Here are some pictures of a D60 vs. a D50 (notice the casting on the inside):





Ring gear size differences (left to right: D60, D50, D44, D30):



Maybe it will help someone down the road.
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Unread 07-03-2011, 04:29 PM   #855
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Well, this whole time I thought I was going to be using Clayton's stuff for the axle brackets. Not anymore. In my research today I have found out that late model D60s have a 3.5" tube diameter instead of 3.125" found on earlier models. The S10.5 also has an axle tube diameter of 3.5". I also looked at T&T trusses, but they either don't have the right axle tube diameter or it wouldn't fit a WJ.

Was thinking about picking these up for the rear...

Truss/4-Link/Cover: http://www.bluetorchfab.com/Product/...ss-System.aspx

Coil Mounts: http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...s-_p_1179.html

Control Arm Mounts: http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...ts_p_1397.html

Shock Mounts: http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...bs_p_1720.html

And for the front...

Combo Coil/Shock/Control Arm Mount: http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...bo_p_1461.html

Track Bar Mount (don't what separation though): http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...nt_p_1629.html

So, there are couple things I don't know about. First, what kind of angle are the control arm mounts at? They the same front and rear? Is it not good if they're not angled/perpendicular to the axle surface? Second, I don't know what I'm going to do for the radius arm mounts on the front axle. Didn't really see anything for bushing type links. Still have to worry about a truss system over the 60, as well.

Any suggestions/help would be awesome.
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