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Unread 08-13-2013, 08:12 PM   #16
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I entertained you laybackman...

Didn't do the trick, but I know where it's at now :-)

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Unread 08-13-2013, 08:44 PM   #17
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double post... sorry
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Unread 08-14-2013, 05:32 AM   #18
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I entertained you laybackman...

Didn't do the trick, but I know where it's at now :-)
The reason I asked you to pull the plug on the VSS sensor is the fact that the VSS, the crank and cam sensor share the same 8 volt circuit. The VSS sensor can short internally causing no blown fuse but shunts that 8 volts to ground. Needless to say if the ECU does not see any input from the crank or cam sensor it will never start. It is a rare event but not impossible.
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Unread 08-14-2013, 02:00 PM   #19
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Moving along...

Pulled and reinstalled the crank position sensor and I got my fuel pump to run consistently when I turn the key to start (radio still won't work in that position, but will in the AC position).

She still won't run though. As I was laying out back by the tank and had my daughter try to crank it, I got an over-whelming smell of gas, so we are getting fuel now.

So I guess we are down to spark at this point... Time to pull the coil rail and the plugs to see what's going on down there I guess.
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Unread 08-14-2013, 07:34 PM   #20
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Got the jeep started this evening; hurray for "makes no sense what's so ever".


I was moving stuff around that I had replaced, putting old parts back on and then taking them off when I started messing with the cam position sensor (a part I replaced from the start).

I had left the two small bolts loose while she cranked the engine over. As it was cranking, I lift the sensor up about 1/4 of an inch and the jeep started. I was able to bolt it down while it was running and she kept running.

I then had the wife shut it off and try to restart it with the cam sensor bolted down and it wouldn't work. I repeated the lifting it up while cranking and it started again.

So that's where I have left off for the evening. I moved the jeep closer to my work area so I don't have to walk around the house for every single little item I'm after and shut it down for the evening.

I should add; this works with both the old sensor and the new sensor... totally repeatable with both and yet will not start with it bolted down.

Any idea's ???
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Unread 06-18-2014, 06:27 PM   #21
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I wanted to update this thread with an actual fix for the issues that remained:

Won't start consistently. (sometimes starts after several cranks, other times you'd run the battery dead trying).

No radio what so ever.

No back-up lights.

Air bag lights up and beeps shortly after it would actually start.

Blower motor wouldn't blow.

No rear defroster and or the defroster light would show on w/o me turning it on (it was never actually on at anytime).



After all I've replaced, the piece that cured all of the above was the ignition starter switch.

I tore into it in frustration and found that a good portion of the copper contacts inside were corroded to the point of being green.

A new one from NAPA ran me $27.00


Anywho, I'm headed out now to button it up and give her a badly needed bath.
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