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Unread 08-02-2013, 02:52 PM   #31
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Remove that until it has no raised presence, it will distort the cap and cause a.issue

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Unread 08-02-2013, 10:54 PM   #32
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Wow really , THE BOX was made in the US.

I suspect carquest is only doing that because of china shipping issues, though I'd like to think otherwise but I doubt it.
So why then is the U joint marked "USA"? I guess they really wanted to make sure I knew the "box" was made in the USA huh...
I actually talked to one of the head shed guys at carquest and evidently Spicer has changed their business model and will sell to places like Carquest and later at other stores instead of just to diveline shops and manufactures.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 10:58 AM   #33
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It is possible its a old stock, but they aren't made here anymore for some time now.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 03:06 PM   #34
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OLD STOCK? Made on FEB 19th 2013 is OLD STOCK?
That hard to admit your got bad info?
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Unread 08-03-2013, 09:08 PM   #35
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If I buy precision tomorrow they won't match your pic, if you want to doubt it that's fine but I see more joints a day and seen the change a few years ago, dates on boxes doesn't mean the cross wasn't off a line some time ago. Spicer has changed there seals 2 yrs ago I still get joints with the old style seals directly from spicer.
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Unread 08-03-2013, 11:14 PM   #36
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So precision U joints that I bought at a NAPA here in ID (VS the ones bought in Chattanooga TN) should be completely different eh? They weren't.
I'll run out on monday and look at them, take some pics and post em up.
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Unread 08-04-2013, 11:01 AM   #37
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Do that and the caps also
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Just picked up some precision 369 u-joints for my wj from the local auto parts shop in town and both are stamped USA and the box says made in the USA in three languages and the manufactured dates are 4-15-13 and 6-20-13. Just an FYI.
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Unread 09-13-2013, 02:18 AM   #39
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Could it be that precision Ujoints are actually made in the USA? Perish the thought...
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Unread 09-15-2013, 03:01 PM   #40
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Mine where made in the USA. Just put em in.
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Unread 09-17-2013, 07:54 AM   #41
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precision doesn't even really exist, FM or moog put joints in a precision box, moog really only sources now, the casting other than usa laid in are exactly the same as the china joints, this has been going on for a while. The joints casting changed some years ago and oddly other than the usa laid in are the china stuff, and not all of them have usa laid in.
If you would have changed joints daily you would have seen the change from us thread to metric thread and us zerk to metric zerk, then you would question why would a company in the us change and resemble the china stuff, why aren't the other 2.5 us companies making joints suddenly changing there casting and going to metric and still haven't. . . .well you would question it and then look at everything then you know that precision is gone moog is actually doing all the u-joints for FM and moog is no longer what it once was and is simply sourcing other peoples parts.
When i have time i'll waste the dollar and then the $20 on the precision, i mean the moog sourced china and take the pics and other than the laid in usa there is no difference, they're all companies using the "source the best possible *parts (*prices not quality) which is what Fm is doing for some years now.
You can believe a label because it says usa on it, i have seen all the tricks with labeling and using usa, usa pride, made in the usa, assembled in the usa, yeah the label and or box were made or printed in the usa, or just the label, and there are some joints FM sources that are made by neapco and in a precision box, you wouldn't know unless you knew all the particulars.
precision no longer exists
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Unread 09-18-2013, 05:57 PM   #42
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Man talk about not being able to admit a mistake.

So you are saying that the foundry that makes the U joints stamped/forged/cast USA are actually made in China? You base this off the fact they use a metric thread for the grease zerk? So using you logic, then every vehicle made in the US is actually Chinese...


We have provided proof for our position, yet you just have "trust me, I'm an expert, never wrong and damnit I have people skills..."

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I guess you missed the part where MOOG is actually a DIVISION of FEDERAL MOGUL. So if Federal mogul has a plant in Wisconsin that makes Moog, FM, and Precision, then I guess I am still right that the U joint is made in the USA because due to FTC regulations and federal law. http://www.business.ftc.gov/document...e-usa-standard it would be a violation of federal law to sell a part that is not actually produced in the USA marked as such. It is called deceptive labeling and again violates federal and state laws.
Here call 1-800-ITS-FAKE (actual US Customs number) and report FM for breaking the law.

So I guess Carquest carrying Spicer Products is crap too right?
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Unread 09-18-2013, 07:22 PM   #43
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You just don't like reading, precision is gone, it is a box that has a label stuck on it , precision makes zero and isnt even a name FM uses anymore , now let's try this slow, moog handles that and all moog does is source them, they aren't made by them or here unless , unless they rebox some neapco that is made here and they put that in there box and print a new label, they have used neapco for the brute line and some truck and some 1330 and al series, and even some of neapcos stuff isn't made here.
You want to believe precision is making it, whatever and believe moog is still what it once was.... You want to be fooled and its working
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Unread 09-18-2013, 11:05 PM   #44
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I guess you could always ask them...
Federal-Mogul Corporation Greenville, Bearings
Bearings
510 East Grove Street, Greenville, Michigan,
United States, 48838-1878
Federal-Mogul Vehicle Component Solutions, Inc., Chicago, Chassis
Chassis, Manufacturing/Distribution
3440 N. Kedzie Avenue, Chicago, Illinois,
United States, 60618
Federal-Mogul Vehicle Component Solutions, Inc., Chassis
Chassis
4929 South Mason Avenue, Forest View, Illinois,
United States, 60638-1442


Neapco is part of FM now? Wow I learn so much from you.


So where did you get your info that tells you that what you are saying is true? links? Citations? Or do we just take your word for it?
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Unread 09-19-2013, 07:31 AM   #45
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Neapco isn't part of FM you just don't read, and don't understand what sourcing means and is..... I try telling you something and just to let you know the truth and to be nice so you all know what it is you're really getting, but if you insist you want to look like a fool and just not believe someone who specializes and actually does know more, than look like the fool.



RALPH KISIEL
Automotive News
September 4, 1995 - 12:01 am ET
Zeller Corp., an Ohio parts supplier, says it lost a big chunk of business and had to lay off employees after refusing to pay a $400,000 commercial bribe for the right to continue doing business with Federal-Mogul Corp. Zeller, supplier of universal joints, filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Toledo, Ohio, last week alleging that Federal-Mogul severed business relations with Zeller when the company refused to pay a 'signing bonus.'
'They repeatedly asked us for it, both verbally and in writing,' said Mark Zeller, president of the Defiance, Ohio, firm. 'They said we'd lose their business, and we did lose their business.'
The lawsuit, filed Aug. 30, also names as a defendant Neapco Inc., of Pottstown, Pa. The complaint alleges that Federal-Mogul obtained a signing bonus from Neapco, which then won the contract to supply Federal-Mogul with universal joints.
Diane Kaye, Federal-Mogul general counsel, said late Thursday, Aug. 31, that the Southfield, Mich.-based corporation had not yet seen the suit; corporate policy prohibits her commenting on pending litigation. Neapco President Ronald Vaughn did not return telephone calls.
Federal-Mogul is No. 54 on the Automotive News list of the Top 150 OEM suppliers to North America. It had $487 million North American OEM sales in 1994 and $819 million in aftermarket sales last year. It makes engine, transmission, steering, suspension, lighting, electrical and fuel system components.
The lawsuit seeks $23.9 million in compensation and another $10*million in punitive damages.
According to the lawsuit:
Zeller had been selling universal joints to a division of TRW Inc., Sealed Power and Federal-Mogul. In late 1993, after Federal-Mogul acquired the TRW division and Sealed Power, it presented a written contract governing Zeller's sales of universal joints to Federal-Mogul.
Federal-Mogul on May 19, 1994, proposed that Zeller pay a $400,000 fee not tied to levels of purchases or performance of services. Zeller said it offered to extend a volume-based discount of up to $500,000, but Federal-Mogul rejected the offer, ceased business with Zeller and entered into a contract for the purchase of universal joints with Neapco, one of Zeller's chief competitors.
By paying the signing bonus, Neapco violated the Robinson-Patman Price Discrimination Act, according to the lawsuit. Neapco has sold universal joints at a discriminatory low price to Federal-Mogul, while selling universal joints to other customers at higher prices, the suit says.
Federal-Mogul, by demanding and receiving the signing bonus from Neapco without providing any services in return, has violated the same act, according to the suit.
'We're getting punished for taking the ethical high road,' Zeller said.



So precision like i said Does not exist for many years now, and moog does the sourcing now for FM which is a part of Fm and you still do not understand sourcing... and Neapco DOES NOT make all there joints anymore either....

I know all about this and neapco's pricing nonsense and what is and what very few things are not being done by a china company for neapco.

Go on now about precision making something, anything and how you know its being made where and by who..... precision isn't even recognized by FM now, and moog is heading where the sourced crap is coming from now. . . .

You specialize in what ? and then argue with someone telling you fact, you have no clue whats going on in the driveline world, it's all i do, you keep posting the bad info without facts and no proof, how about we go back to you telling people to use a fullsize gm shaft in a jeep and it works, there is no misinformation on my end just the fact you don't like to see you are believing printed and affixed labels to a box and seeing the truth is i am right.

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