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Unread 07-24-2013, 07:49 PM   #16
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I've had to back up quite often when wheeling in the snow and have had many comment if I was running lockers, as they were observing all 4 tires turning backwards.







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Unread 07-25-2013, 01:24 AM   #17
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Pure physic's and design...
Its a helical cut gear design that when one axle is starting to spin faster then the other, then the pinion gears inside ramp up and by doing so then engage each other more firmly and causes them to not want to allow such a difference in axle speeds. When in reverse that ramping up, is the opposite. It stays in the most open condition it can.

A open diff at times will also seem like both tires are being driven equally. But by design and mechanics, its just an open carrier that in that one case might just seem like a posi..


I am a Differential store Owner that has installed more differentials, gears, axle, etc then ALL YOUR BFF's and family and people you know all added together. I think I have a little more professional and accurate information then yourself.. Good try though.

I would never Throw the Tru trac anywhere. Its extremely strong, well made and reliable. Only just like a insert locker has flaws, so does this. I am sorry I just insulted your beloved tru trac with a fact you didnt want to hear.
Try again. I/we know how they work and like many other things in life just because you sell and or do something doesn't make you an expert or even really understand what you are actually talking about. Like how some LEO's and .mil people claim to be weapons experts (SME's no less) because weapons are used in there job, yet have to have help disassembling the weapons they are supposed experts in.

We have provided links and videos disproving your claims of no operations in reverse or a lifted tire with and detailed reasons why and how you have it half right and yet you toss out "I'm an expurt!!!" with nothing to substantiate your position or validate your claims.

If you were and actual SME on the Truetrac or had read the owners manual you would know that a light application/modulation of the brakes gives the truetrac enough of a torque bias to operate as if the tire had a small amount of traction to transfer the torque to the wheel that had traction.
But I guess, you missed that info in the several links and videos that have been posted. For some one that is in retail, you sure know customer service. But I guess since you brag about how you sell for less than the MAP and then pull a Wenzel on a customer... http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1075952 so I guess I should have seen it coming.
So have you paid for your JF Vendor status yet or do you come here under the radar and pimp your wares on the sly?

There was more unbiased information in the JP link or in any single other link than in anything you have posted thus far.
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Unread 07-27-2013, 11:07 AM   #18
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Try again. I/we know how they work and like many other things in life just because you sell and or do something doesn't make you an expert or even really understand what you are actually talking about. Like how some LEO's and .mil people claim to be weapons experts (SME's no less) because weapons are used in there job, yet have to have help disassembling the weapons they are supposed experts in.

We have provided links and videos disproving your claims of no operations in reverse or a lifted tire with and detailed reasons why and how you have it half right and yet you toss out "I'm an expurt!!!" with nothing to substantiate your position or validate your claims.

If you were and actual SME on the Truetrac or had read the owners manual you would know that a light application/modulation of the brakes gives the truetrac enough of a torque bias to operate as if the tire had a small amount of traction to transfer the torque to the wheel that had traction.
But I guess, you missed that info in the several links and videos that have been posted. For some one that is in retail, you sure know customer service. But I guess since you brag about how you sell for less than the MAP and then pull a Wenzel on a customer... http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1075952 so I guess I should have seen it coming.
So have you paid for your JF Vendor status yet or do you come here under the radar and pimp your wares on the sly?

There was more unbiased information in the JP link or in any single other link than in anything you have posted thus far.
Hey man, stop being a total tool. Not sure who you are but your logic is nothing more than a smoke screen.

You should be nice and not hurt peoples feelings with this logic. I understand some idiots need a helping hand. So, when I have questions next time I will contact you first.

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Unread 07-27-2013, 11:39 AM   #19
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. But I guess since you brag about how you sell for less than the MAP and then pull a Wenzel on a customer... http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1075952 so I guess I should have seen it coming.
ha ha ha i love how that turd has had his name smeared on every forum on the interwebz. i wonder if the differential store he owns is called "charlies gears".
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What's a BFF???


And will it work in reverse?
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Unread 07-27-2013, 04:56 PM   #21
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Emotional arguments with out facts are the crutch of the ignorant and do nothing to move the discussion forward or provide relevant info.

BFF IIRC is Best Friend Forever? But I not being a metro-sexual fan of pop culture could be wrong and frequently are as I have better things to fill my time with that who is filling Snooky's snookie.

To the OP, you would be well served with a Truetrac in the front and rear.
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What's a BFF???


And will it work in reverse?
Only because I have teenagers..... BFF=Best Friends Forever

Yes, it does work in reverse. It is not quite as efficient or as strong in reverse but it does work. Which is why they are designed for front and rear. Actually you can change a front model to a rear model just by flipping the direction of the helical gears.

Actually the gears do bind on each other as stated above but but they provide the tension by climbing up the walls of the cylinder they ride in, which is why they do work both forward and reverse. it is just that the helical is stronger in one direction than the other and if you have to choose, you want all the strength you can moving forward. There are countless people out there that buy a used "rear" model on Craigslist and put it in their front axle and it works just fine. They would find that it would work a little bit better if they used a "front" model or reversed the helical gears.
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what about high pinion axles? it's not a reverse rotation of the ring gear but it is an opposite force applied by the pinion on the ring gear.
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not sure what you are asking here...
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what about high pinion axles? it's not a reverse rotation of the ring gear but it is an opposite force applied by the pinion on the ring gear.
Some monkeys here will tell you its a reverse rotation. It is not. The axles can not turn the opposite direction and still move your vehicle the same direction.

Its a Rev Cut, not rev rotation.
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ha ha ha i love how that turd has had his name smeared on every forum on the interwebz. i wonder if the differential store he owns is called "charlies gears".
Name smeared on every forum? Really. Thats news to me.

Selling below Map is a bad thing for the public? So I will make sure I raise my prices because people like yourself and others here want to pay more.

As for that one link. Read it. There was NOTHING I did wrong. The customer clearly was on of those that assumed and then blamed and then even when I went out of my way to:
Let him keep product he paid for
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refund his money for that product I told him he could keep
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took hundred(s) off other product he wanted.

The customer from hell still was not happy.

So tell me where I was flawed oh great one...

SO you might want to call, Summit, Randys Ring and Pinion, National Drivetrain, and eaton. And let them know also, that they are wrong.

Its always fun to see the web wheelers on forums that know so much, tell wrong info, yet find others that are wrong and clinch to their postings, all to say they were right.

SO go ahead and make it fact with your ignorance...

AND by the way. Ice and snow is so slippery that some of the time a open diff Also looks like a locker. Till it actually gear any grip to one tire. But I guess you knew that also, or that, thats just not true...

Good luck with actual tech here. I am out of this web wheeler argument....
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Unread 07-29-2013, 08:35 AM   #27
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If you were and actual SME on the Truetrac or had read the owners manual you would know that a light application/modulation of the brakes gives the truetrac enough of a torque bias to operate as if the tire had a small amount of traction to transfer the torque to the wheel that had traction. .
And mr expert...

I Never said brake modulation didnt help lock it! You might have?

I said it doesnt ramp out the pinion gears as it does when in a forward motion when in reverse. SO a TT in reverse is nothing more then a open diff. Maybe reading comp wanted your strong suit, but dont go trying to lump claims together to help you look like you know what you're talking about...


To anyone else here that wants to verify that a TT doesnt work in reverse any is Not made to.

Look up a D44 (its easier to verify since these are more common and listed).

Look up the part number for the FRONT D44.
Look up the part number for the REAR D44.

Now tell me, why would eaton go and spend so much money to offer two different D44 Tru Tracs? Umm Maybe its because they are directional and a front wont work in the rear cause it spins the opposite direction?

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Unread 07-29-2013, 10:12 AM   #28
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Name smeared on every forum? Really. Thats news to me.

Selling below Map is a bad thing for the public? So I will make sure I raise my prices because people like yourself and others here want to pay more.

As for that one link. Read it. There was NOTHING I did wrong. The customer clearly was on of those that assumed and then blamed and then even when I went out of my way to:
Let him keep product he paid for
And
refund his money for that product I told him he could keep
AND
took hundred(s) off other product he wanted.

The customer from hell still was not happy.

So tell me where I was flawed oh great one...

SO you might want to call, Summit, Randys Ring and Pinion, National Drivetrain, and eaton. And let them know also, that they are wrong.

Its always fun to see the web wheelers on forums that know so much, tell wrong info, yet find others that are wrong and clinch to their postings, all to say they were right.

SO go ahead and make it fact with your ignorance...

AND by the way. Ice and snow is so slippery that some of the time a open diff Also looks like a locker. Till it actually gear any grip to one tire. But I guess you knew that also, or that, thats just not true...

Good luck with actual tech here. I am out of this web wheeler argument....

you completely missed the joke... and that makes it even funnier.

i was talking about the "wentzel" that was mentioned in the post i quoted... the kids name was "charlie wentzel". he stiffed a guy on a set of gears and got humiliated all over the internet for being a tool.


i also love how guys that don't wheel and just know how to install a product think they know every little flaw of said product in the field. i know nothing about trutrack lockers other than what i have learned from my reading. selectable lockers are pretty self explanatory that's why i went that route... i just had to do my reading and find the one that i thought would meet my expectations the best (eaton elocker).

this forum is full of people that love to throw out their opinion as a fact that is not substantiated by anything other than "i said so". until you can cite factual publications or visual proof, as others have against your claim, i would tend to call shenanigans on your info. plain and simple. again not an attack on your information, but you have yet to provide any links, pictures, or videos to provide any argument to the contrary.

i was not the one to cast the first stone and i would like to think that you can look back and see the mistake you made by thinking i was in any way making a judgement on your character. however, i know human nature all too well from my own life experiences, that you will be sure to prove me wrong.
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Some monkeys here will tell you its a reverse rotation. It is not. The axles can not turn the opposite direction and still move your vehicle the same direction.

Its a Rev Cut, not rev rotation.
if you read i already said it's not a reverse rotation. i said it's an opposite force applied because the gears have a reverse cut on them which in turn makes the axles spin the proper direction.

it was a legitimate question. i was trying to make sure all avenues of the discussion were traveled. i like to do that when someone disagrees with my point of view... you know... discuss. some people come to these threads to learn and not have snide comments thrown their way when a question is asked. if i wanted that i could post some dumb questions on pirate.

i was hoping to have someone chime in with an intelligent answer or physics lesson on how i may be looking at the situation incorrectly. i was intrigued that the claim of the reverse operation being a possibility. since the application of an outside force is basically what makes the TT work i was curious if the same locker in an application where the force applied was slightly different from the beginning BEFORE a force normally outside the system comes into play while under power, such as the brakes.

now back to your regularly scheduled
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Ug... ok, visual proof from Summit Racing and Eaton.
As you watch the video they will put up a vector force map that shows how the pinion gears use force from various directions including ramping against their own housing to provide traction.

This one is a nicely documented person dispelling this myth because he was tired of hearing "TrueTrac doesn't work in reverse".

Yet another explanation of how TrueTrac works http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/TrueTrac.shtml
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