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post #1 of 38 Old 07-15-2013, 06:55 PM Thread Starter
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true trac or lockers

whats better true tracs or lockers ? I'm not a hardcore 4wheeler, just like to explore back country stuff. Have 33's with a 3.5 rubicon.

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post #2 of 38 Old 07-17-2013, 06:50 PM
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lockers are 100 % traction, a limited slip is Ok but does not beat a locker.
With a locker you can have a tire off the ground and still drive the other tire.
You can't do that with a limited slip.

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not trying to be an @$$ but do a search on it, there are a metric ton of threads on this very topic. It really depends on what the kind of wheeling you want to do and the on road driving characteristics you want to have.

There are people that will swear by every combination of open/LSD/locker combination ever made. Do a few days of reading and get an idea of what you want.

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Imo if you got the money, go with selectable lockers. The dif's are open until you flip the switch. Then they are locked.
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post #5 of 38 Old 07-22-2013, 02:26 AM
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lockers are 100 % traction, a limited slip is Ok but does not beat a locker.
With a locker you can have a tire off the ground and still drive the other tire.
You can't do that with a limited slip.
You ought to due some research about the question posted as the Truetrack is a GEAR driven limited slip and it does in fact turn the tire on the ground with the other in the air, just a bit slower.
But don't take my word for it...


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I'm not a hardcore 4wheeler more about exploring the back country. Looks like I'm going with true tracs. Thanks for the input guys
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post #7 of 38 Old 07-23-2013, 10:26 AM
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KEEP IN MIND. A Tru Trac does Not work in reverse. I know big deal right. Wrong.

So your cruising down a fire road (be it in mud, snow or even sand) and you see a nice off shoot that you want to explore. You drop it in 4WD and head off to explore. The front tires get off the hard pack, and then the rear tires do, and you sink in to very soft stuff. Thats it, no more progress. A very common situation.

Now you put it in reverse to get back to the hard pack and all you have is a open diff and one tire spinning.

Or even in rock and you get over a bolder and wedge into a pinch and your rocker is on the bolder. The tru trac got you there with both tires spinning and now to back out you only have one, and that one tire is the tire with least traction or in the air.

I just know that about 1% of the population knows this about a tru trac and it needs to be considered when choosing.

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I have never had that happen in reverse. I guess mine was defective.

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I have never had that happen in reverse. I guess mine was defective.
yeah I guess Eaton made on special one, that you just happen to get

Look at the design and how you have to buy the correct for the rear or front, depending on direction of drive and you will understand...

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In my experience the TrueTrac does work in reverse. Here's a vid of my fronts in forward action


IMO TrueTracs are great for daily driven Jeeps who experience frequent winter snow and icy conditions. However, TrueTracs will demonstrate their weaknesses if you lift your tires often or rock crawl. I've been running front and rear TrueTracs for over 6 years and I am very happy with the performance they provide me in the Pacific Northwest.

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yeah I guess Eaton made on special one, that you just happen to get

Look at the design and how you have to buy the correct for the rear or front, depending on direction of drive and you will understand...
And you should slow your roll before you throw a product under the bus because you heard something from your BFF and have a bias based on second hand conjecture and not fact.
So what exactly prevents it from working in reverse? A ratcheting pawl? George Boosh? What?

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And you should slow your roll before you throw a product under the bus because you heard something from your BFF and have a bias based on second hand conjecture and not fact.
So what exactly prevents it from working in reverse? A ratcheting pawl? George Boosh? What?
Pure physic's and design...
Its a helical cut gear design that when one axle is starting to spin faster then the other, then the pinion gears inside ramp up and by doing so then engage each other more firmly and causes them to not want to allow such a difference in axle speeds. When in reverse that ramping up, is the opposite. It stays in the most open condition it can.

A open diff at times will also seem like both tires are being driven equally. But by design and mechanics, its just an open carrier that in that one case might just seem like a posi..


I am a Differential store Owner that has installed more differentials, gears, axle, etc then ALL YOUR BFF's and family and people you know all added together. I think I have a little more professional and accurate information then yourself.. Good try though.

I would never Throw the Tru trac anywhere. Its extremely strong, well made and reliable. Only just like a insert locker has flaws, so does this. I am sorry I just insulted your beloved tru trac with a fact you didnt want to hear.

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Pure physic's and design...
Its a helical cut gear design that when one axle is starting to spin faster then the other, then the pinion gears inside ramp up and by doing so then engage each other more firmly and causes them to not want to allow such a difference in axle speeds. When in reverse that ramping up, is the opposite. It stays in the most open condition it can.

A open diff at times will also seem like both tires are being driven equally. But by design and mechanics, its just an open carrier that in that one case might just seem like a posi..


I am a Differential store Owner that has installed more differentials, gears, axle, etc then ALL YOUR BFF's and family and people you know all added together. I think I have a little more professional and accurate information then yourself.. Good try though.

I would never Throw the Tru trac anywhere. Its extremely strong, well made and reliable. Only just like a insert locker has flaws, so does this. I am sorry I just insulted your beloved tru trac with a fact you didnt want to hear.

Odd, the video clearly shows the diff operating when the brakes are applied, loading the "light side" axle. I run a Gleason in the rear of my CJ and it operates the same way, in both forward and reverse.
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