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Unread 08-22-2013, 04:47 PM   #16
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I did exactly as you did and I had the issues I described. So how about you wind your neck in and stop with the personal attacks.

Point of fact, the longer spline on the long spline slip yoke increases the leverage and forces that act on the tail shaft. Kinda like putting hugely backspaced rims with wide tires on your axles. If you think that doesn't cause component damage and shorten the lifespan of your steering components to fail, you are not fully understanding of the forces involved.

Point of fact, the SS SYE INCREASES drive line length with as any competent person knows, increases drive line components through DECREASED angles between the tail shaft and pinion. You can't get that with your "Slipyoke-CV" marriage. Drove line stays the same overall length, But you increase causing damage from hyperextending the DL at full articulation and a high torque event like climbing a rock and even worse damage from bottoming out the slip yoke and busting your transfer case housing/hard parts.

I can draw you up an MS paint drawing, but since you know everything there is to know it would matter not.

Basically you are upset because you are married to your ideas and nothing I can say will ever change your mind.

Slow your roll and you may learn something.
IF it was as simple as doing what you suggested, do you think that anyone would go through the "difficult process" of installing a SYE kit? How could they sell a single unit?

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Unread 08-22-2013, 05:19 PM   #17
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You did not do what I said, the slip isn't longer, what you did is not what I do. just because you don't know about it means nothing , now the op has options, one you didn't have
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Unread 08-22-2013, 05:37 PM   #18
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The higher lifts allow for greater articulation, which allows a stock length SLIP YOKE to pull out of the TC. All you did with your spendy CV joint was try and alieviate your angle/vibration problem. Like I said, do some serious wheeling and you will find out the exact short comings of a Slip yoke.

I had too much articulation to run an OEM length slip yoke which is why I did what I did.

In post #9 I never said anything about a longer Slip Yoke (SY) I kept pulling the yoke out with the OEM yoke, so tried to use a longer SY, that is what exacerbated the problem. You really think the tiny needle bearings that support the tail shaft were designed to handle the stress of slapping a CV joint on there? 'fraid not.

If slip yokes were so awesome, then why is there a market for SYE (Slip Yoke Eliminator) kits? Slip yokes are an inferior design for a vehicle that goes off road. It is there because of the ease of assembly, slide it in, zio in 4 bolts and the driveline is done.

SY's are weaker than a fixed yoke and that is a fact.
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Unread 08-22-2013, 06:38 PM   #19
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You continue to go on about something you have no knowledge of or any use, you don't understand how that option works and you keep comparing it to you're wrong fix of a long.slip yoke.
I have been offering this option before the SYE kit was avail and I have hundreds of Jeeps working flawlessly with them off road including my own XJ years ago.
You keep trying to make it like a extended slip yoke and it is nothing like it, ill believe your internet theory when in the last 16 yrs I see a Failure.
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Unread 08-22-2013, 08:55 PM   #20
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The higher lifts allow for greater articulation, which allows a stock length SLIP YOKE to pull out of the TC.
The higher lift allows for greater ground clearance and larger tires, and without different shackles and shocks your articulation isn't all that much.

As the suspension cycles the slip doesn't pull off or out of the t-case UNLESS you never had your shaft retubed for the lift , which is why you wrongly used a longer style slip yoke than doing it right the 1st time .

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All you did with your spendy CV joint was try and alieviate your angle/vibration problem. Like I said, do some serious wheeling and you will find out the exact short comings of a Slip yoke.

I had too much articulation to run an OEM length slip yoke which is why I did what I did.
Spendy ? another wrong statement by someone who knows nothing of what they're talking about .

So depending who's SYE kit you buy your out $200 to $300 for the better kits to have, so knowing what i know and do know lets see whats more spendy.

If you're going to do the SYE you're better off with the RR version SYE kit so you're already out $300, then you need the shaft to work with that since now you need a SS CV shaft, at another $400 unless you like china crap and use one of the many pirating china copies and save a $100 on junk that will fail.
So if we add $300 and $400 we have $700 if you do everything yourself. . .
$700 is far more spendy than what i came up with Y E A R S ago and works EXACTLY the same aside for playing with the t-case and an additional $300. So doing the 2nd option isn't wrong, but it is more than half as spendy as you say .

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post #9 I never said anything about a longer Slip Yoke (SY) I kept pulling the yoke out with the OEM yoke, so tried to use a longer SY, that is what exacerbated the problem.
Again, rather than retube the shaft you opted for the WRONG fix and now knowing nothing of what im talking about you're comparing your WRONG fix to what is a right option

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You really think the tiny needle bearings that support the tail shaft were designed to handle the stress of slapping a CV joint on there? 'fraid not.
Who is selling you this salesman BS ???

The CV shaft option i gave the OP is around 23 lbs, 23 lbs bolted between the diff and t-case, there is no BS needle bearing increased wear...
Do you read man ??? i have as many customers on the converted CV shaft using the slip cv as i have running the SYE and NONE have any of the BS you're spewing here.

stress of adding a cv joint, YOU RELIEVE stress adding the cv... the stress comes from putting the joint in to bind

You really do not understand what the problems are and what causes them and what fixes them.
Even the SYE breaks if you go and put that shaft into bind because people do not know WTH theyre doing and do not check and see what there limits are and then they break things and they wonder why, just like you did .

So as i have said several times, i had the same option as pictured in a XJ, and i have hundreds in other jeeps and none have any of the bs issues you have because the cv head can run at more angle and deal with more angle and because of the centering joint at the cv it also relieves any slip motion unlike what you did which was Wrong.

You used a long slip yoke and broke your t-case because you weren't intelligent enough to limit your travel, and that is the FACT jack, you don't run something out of its parameters just because!. thats just stupid.

Using a CV head gives far more operation and allows the shaft to run and operate at more angle, and it also allows you to run 0.0 at the pin in relation to the shafts angle and removes all the bind that you didn't.

You clearly do not understand whats going on here.

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If slip yokes were so awesome, then why is there a market for SYE (Slip Yoke Eliminator) kits? Slip yokes are an inferior design for a vehicle that goes off road. It is there because of the ease of assembly, slide it in, zio in 4 bolts and the driveline is done.

SY's are weaker than a fixed yoke and that is a fact.
More BS without knowing what you're talking about.

Slip yokes are designed so the suspension can travel and still turn the shaft without any need for a SS.
Slip yokes of which there are hundreds in many designs and series and designed for increased operating angles other than just the 2 you probably have ever seen in your life.

Just like the one i have in a picture above, that slip yoke is specifically designed to bolt to a cv head and not need a bolt on end yoke such as a SYE kit, but you don't know that, won't listen/read, and have no idea what you're talking about.

Now you're telling someone who has used this design more times than i can honestly count for a long long time on every Jeep body style you can imagine and has thousands of happy customers that do not have failures, that it's wrong because you have never seen it before and just keep comparing it to some Wrong backyard fix you used on your Jeep that IS NOTHING LIKE what i am talking about ...

I can't wait to read what you're going to type next

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In order to utilize a double cardan shaft properly, the slip must be in the driveline and not extending from the end of the transfer case. With the pinion angle pointed at the FIXED output yoke, your lower joints will not sustain damages. If you're changing the place of the output yoke, then the pinion angle needs to be constantly changing with it.

Please take some time to read some literature from one of the forerunners in the driveshaft business:
http://www.4xshaft.com/driveline101.html
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I have been in the driveline business since 1973, and the cv can be at the style i use and have been without issue.
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..which is why you wrongly used a longer style slip yoke than doing it right the 1st time .

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Spendy ? another wrong statement by someone who knows nothing of what they're talking about .

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So doing the 2nd option isn't wrong, but it is more than half as spendy as you say .



Again, rather than retube the shaft you opted for the WRONG fix and now knowing nothing of what im talking about you're comparing your WRONG fix to what is a right option

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Who is selling you this salesman BS ???

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Do you read man ??? i have as many customers on the converted CV shaft using the slip cv as i have running the SYE and NONE have any of the BS you're spewing here.

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You really do not understand what the problems are and what causes them and what fixes them.
Even the SYE breaks if you go and put that shaft into bind because people do not know WTH theyre doing and do not check and see what there limits are and then they break things and they wonder why, just like you did .

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You used a long slip yoke and broke your t-case because you weren't intelligent enough to limit your travel, and that is the FACT jack, you don't run something out of its parameters just because!. thats just stupid.

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You clearly do not understand whats going on here.

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More BS without knowing what you're talking about.

.. Slip yokes of which there are hundreds in many designs and series and designed for increased operating angles other than just the 2 you probably have ever seen in your life.

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but you don't know that, won't listen/read, and have no idea what you're talking about.


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that it's wrong because you have never seen it before and just keep comparing it to some Wrong backyard fix you used on your Jeep that IS NOTHING LIKE what i am talking about ...

I can't wait to read what you're going to type next

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More like clubbing a retarded, deaf, blind, quadriplegic baby seal with a hair lip.
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That's about how conversing with you is exactly
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You can retube your DS to make it longer, it doesn't change the fact that your suspension articulation is greater than the length of the spline on the tailshaft/slip yoke.
Oh right I should limit the range of articulation of my new lift, defeating the purpose of putting in the lift in the first place...

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Spendy ? another wrong statement by someone who knows nothing of what they're talking about .

So depending who's SYE kit you buy your out $200 to $300 for the better kits to have, so knowing what i know and do know lets see whats more spendy.

If you're going to do the SYE you're better off with the RR version SYE kit so you're already out $300, then you need the shaft to work with that since now you need a SS CV shaft, at another $400 unless you like china crap and use one of the many pirating china copies and save a $100 on junk that will fail.
So if we add $300 and $400 we have $700 if you do everything yourself. . .
$700 is far more spendy than what i came up with Y E A R S ago and works EXACTLY the same aside for playing with the t-case and an additional $300. So doing the 2nd option isn't wrong, but it is more than half as spendy as you say .




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So you are advocating a Rugged Ridge SYE? I can't find any detailed reasons why it is better than the JB conversions, but a lot of negatives of why not to use it...
The JB has a lot of engineering features and improvements that RR doesn't even come close to matching as far as I can tell.

Here is the exact cost breakdown of my SS SYE from JB conversions.
$299 + shipping http://www.jbconversions.com/product..._short_sye.php

$20 CV drive shaft from my local pick and pull out of an '86 Chevy 1 ton pickup

$50 to have it shortened, trued and rebalanced by my local driveline shop.

$15 for sodas and chips.
So I am under $400 for my super short slip yoke eliminator kit installed on a Saturday afternoon.

As seen in UA 2006...
http://www.fourwheeler.com/ultimate-.../photo-11.html If you watch the DVD you can see my soft driving style... When I went over the 36" log had I still had a SY, the housing would have busted again when the driveshaft hit the log.
131_0612_10_z-2b2006_ultimate_adventure_part_2-2bwilson_dunes.jpg

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You are the most illiterate person I know, learn to read and stop talking when you are clueless about what is going on.
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