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Unread 08-29-2009, 03:30 PM   #1
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RENIX 4.0 Idling oddly; bad manifold seal?

Ok, so, my 4.0 was idling high when it warmed up, and I read up on it a bit, and decided it was probably a loose exhaust manifold. I'd also heard a low 'hissing' sound occasionally at high throttle, so it seemed quite possible.

Well, I looked, and some of the bolts on upper (intake) side of the manifold were loose enough that the washer was able to move freely. I tightened all the ones I could reach down.

It apparently fixed the high idle--and replaced it with a low idle, somehow. While previously, it would run at 1100-1300rpm when sitting either in gear or neutral, after the engine got up to temperature, now it sputters down around 500-600.

It also seems to have trouble starting now, too; it turns over, and fires, but then falls down 200-400rpm and usually dies if I don't give it any gas. If I do goose the pedal a little, and get it up 2000rpm for a second or two, it stays at its happy 800 after that (until it warms up). If I let it die, and start it again, the ECU revs it up to 1500 on the second start attempt, and it settles down to 800 like when I do the same thing 'manually' on the first start.

Oh, also, the oil pressure is reading a little lower than usual (20-30 instead of 40 when idling), but my level is fine, and there aren't any signs I'm leaking or burning any fluids.

So, in light of the loose bolts, and the weird temperature-based idle problems, and the hissing, should I just spend the $8 on a new manifold gasket, and spend an afternoon putting it in and torquing all the intake/exhaust manifold bolts down to spec? Will that fix my problems?

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Unread 08-29-2009, 06:01 PM   #2
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well ya had a vacum leak air was getting into the eng that old renix didnt know about. because it wasnt going thru the mass air flow sensor. now it sounds like you have that fixed. but now old man renix is confused because he has been compinsating for all that extra air that he dont have anymore. disconnect neg batt terminal for 30 min and give him a clean slate. and dont worry about the oil pressure its just a result of the lower eng speed.
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Unread 08-29-2009, 07:30 PM   #3
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I forgot about that! I'll see how it runs after giving that a try.
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Unread 08-30-2009, 02:48 PM   #4
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Didn't seem to fix it. It's still idling really low.
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Unread 08-30-2009, 03:00 PM   #5
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any check eng light on?. there might be a idle set scew to play with. I know it says that its factory preset most of the time but there still may be something to bump up the idle manually, check timming and tune up stuff wouldnt be a bad idea.
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Unread 08-30-2009, 03:55 PM   #6
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latch relay

I remembered one other thing to check on the right inner fender just behind the battery theres 4 relays in a row 1 of the two in the middle is whats called a '" latch relay" its desinged to enable the ecu to extend the idle speed stepper motor to be in the right spot for the next start up.
simply disconnect and see if anything changes, the other relay is for the fuel pump if you get the wrong one it wont start. sorry cant tell by the illistration which one it is exaclty.

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Unread 08-31-2009, 12:30 PM   #7
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No CEL. Also, I did a tuneup about 500 miles ago. New plugs, wires, cap/rotor, air filter, etc. I haven't changed the oil/oil filter yet, however, or the fuel filter.
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