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Unread 01-05-2014, 11:01 PM   #1
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Question about lockers

I know this is prob on here a bunch of times. I use my
Jeep for a daily driver, plow rig, and trails and mud here and there. So mostly sees street more then trails. I'm looking for a locker that is street friendly besides an air locker. If I have to same up for that it eaton one I will have to then. How's the lock right locker turning? I just don't want to trash my 33s quick

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Unread 01-05-2014, 11:29 PM   #2
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Auto lockers are hit and miss when it comes to their owners and the street. Some swear that they are invisible and others hate every pop and quirk they make. However in the front, I wouldn't hesitate to install one. In the rear, selectable is your best get because that open differential is going to give you the closest to stock ride.
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Unread 01-06-2014, 10:05 AM   #3
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So one of those lockers for the front would be fine? Ya I figured I should save up for an eaton locker for the rear so it's more road friendly. I also gotta pick up a 8.8 rear end.
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Unread 01-06-2014, 10:42 AM   #4
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Any selectable for the rear is advisable. With your plowing, a Detroit truetrac is a wise choice as well. Although its a limited slip diff, it still provides a lot of traction and bias to your driving needs. I had one in my 8.8 before I started rock crawling and it did everything I asked it to do without me knowing the difference.

There is a myriad of choices compounded by the applications and future applications you're looking to utilize from your jeep. A lunchbox autolocker is a cheap traction device and it isn't a big regret to install and uninstall if you don't like it. No gear work necessary and they're always in demand.
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I guess I'm confused what a limited slip is. I know some 8.8 come with 4.10 gears and a limited slip. Is that Detroit one a locker? When I think of a locker I think of a spool but when cornering it has give so your vehicle doesnt burn up tires while corning.
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A Trutrac uses gears to allow the tires to turn at different speeds and other clutch types allows for actual slippage to occure as the left and right sides do not have a gear driven or solid lock up.


and a clutch based limited slip



and a lunch box type locker




I hope this helps with the confusion.
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Unread 01-06-2014, 04:41 PM   #7
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I will watch those when I get home. Thanks for the info. It's not my daily driver since I have a car but if it snows or just for the hell of it I still drive it to work.

I heard if you lock the front axle in 4 wheel drive it is different to drive in the snow. Why is that?
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Because there is power going to both axles not just the rear and it changes the dynamic in how the vehicle is able to use the weight distribution to increase available traction, or friction to maintain control.

A skid is caused by a lack of friction, the tires that are skidding have less traction than the tires that are not skidding. If you look at a shuttlecock or badminton birdie, the small end has less friction with the air than the larger end and that is why it always flies the way it does, the least amount of friction is always in front. A vehicle with 4wd is able to send @ 25% or the available power to each wheel. Typically the engine and transmission provides extra weight over the front end that the rear end does not get and has more contact pressure per square inch than the rear tires and therefore more traction. That is why front wheel drive cars handle better in the snow than RWD cars do unless a lot of weight is added over the read axle. But in so doing you increase the overall weight of the vehicle to the point it may require more friction to stop than there is available on the road and cause a skid and handling issues. In 4wd the front end can pull the front end in the direction of the rotating tires instead of simply being pushed that direction by the rear end which is more efficient use of power. even though it takes seemingly little power to push the front end, it can cause enough resistance to overcome the available friction the rear tires can use and cause the rear end to spin out.
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Alright makes sense how you put it. Ill have to decide on what I want to buy and on how much ones cost.
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Lunch box lockers are probably your cheapest route, but can be a bit quirky when cornering and coming off/applying throttle. Try and find some one that has a set up like you are looking to go with and ride around in it.
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Ya ill have to see of any of my friends have that type of locker in there jeep
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You will not like having a locker in the front especially in the snow and it will not unlock and you will go straight instead of turn. You should put a selectable up front and use a true trac at the rear
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Alright so like eaton in the front and a Detroit or lock right in the rear? Locked in the rear in the snow won't be bad right? That makes sense to have a selectable one in the front
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Having any LS type in the rear in snow is fine, having a locker in snow they never unlock so you'll always have both wheels turning, but imagine making a turn and when the front just pushes kinda forward and not making a turn at all, and hello tree...... or other vehicle, or someone standing.

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Ya makes sense. Ill worry about just locking the rear once I get an 8.8 and built it up and before I install it in my jeep.
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