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Unread 06-29-2011, 04:38 PM   #16
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There is a pipe that goes from underneath the carburetor filter pan that goes to the cat. What is that for?

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Unread 06-29-2011, 06:15 PM   #17
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The newer cats also control NOx (oxides of nitrogen) and also unburnt Hydrocarbons (HC). That is the purpose of the 3-way catalyst. That is also why the ECU switches back and forth between rich and lean - to properly keep the cat charged with sufficient O2, and to also allow the ECU to keep an eye on the O2 sensor for proper operation.


The O2s "switching" is merely the way that they work.

When they read lean, they read low voltage(nearly 0v)... when they read rich, they read higher voltage(up to 1v). A "normal" O2 sensor switches back and forth on it's own... it has nothing to do with the PCM "controlling it" because it is an INPUT... not an OUTPUT.

The PCM takes the input and computes the "average" that it gets... normally switching between 0.150v or so and 0.800v... It should usually average around 0.45-0.50v roughly. The reason they don't go completely to 0 or 1v is so that if it does... then it knows that it's internally shorted to power or has an open circuit... helps to pinpoint what may be wrong with it.

Newer cars have factory "lambda sensors" which are not like the normal O2 sensors... I know that the newer Cadillacs w/ the Direct Injected 3.6L VVT DOHC V6 have them.

Their O2 sensors do not switch... they have an internal resistor that changes with A/F ratio and stays steady... much like a coolant temp sensor. They won't switch and will read a constant 0.45v or so.

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Unread 08-03-2011, 01:23 PM   #18
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How can you confuse the pcm or the 02 senser so as not to need the precats and the Cat converter. I am sure those pre cats are part of the dreaded heat soak problem.
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How can you confuse the pcm or the 02 senser so as not to need the precats and the Cat converter. I am sure those pre cats are part of the dreaded heat soak problem.
No they are not the problem and don't take them off.

You need a heat shield over your fuel rail to help the heat soak issue... Wrap your fuel rail with a few layers of aluminum foil and that should help a lot.

My 03 does it every so often, but not enough for me to care about. Start it up and it will idle a bit funny... stab the gas once and it clears up.

It's definitely NOT directly caused by the cats or anything... the design of the 4.0L having the exhaust and intake so close to each other... yeah... but there are millions of other TJs out there and functioning just fine.


FWIW the sale and purchase of O2 simulators in the US is now illegal AFAIK unless something has changed. Used to see them for sale in every performance parts catalog... not any more.

http://www.epa.gov/compliance/resour...sper-fcsht.pdf
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Thanks for the lesson here.
making this easier to find it again
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