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Unread 08-20-2013, 10:43 PM   #1
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drive shaft for ax15

I have a 97 XJ with ax15, 8.25chry, np231 and 4 inch lift. I have a spare xj shaft out of a 92 xj auto np231 case. I am going to get a sye from porc and need to know some one that has a setup that works similar to mine. There is a ton of BS on autos but I convert or only get 5 speeds like the gears. I need facts and a location to find a shaft or if anyone thinks my spare will work. Does anyone know how much shorter a ax15 is over auto. I have taken 5 out but never measured. Also need a reasonable location or source for front shaft. The junk yards around here have crushed a lot of what they had due to scrap prices. In the Gaston, Lincoln county area of North Carolina. (Near Charlotte )

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Look for a local driveline shop in your area and you'll have no issues
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Unread 08-24-2013, 02:23 AM   #3
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The purpose of this post was to get a driveshaft combo from a bone yard that works so i could find one and a spare. So $31.00 and six Jeeps later I found a 97 4.0 ZJ with a NP231 case with a 33inch driveshaft will work and got the SYE kit from rough country at $168.00 and free shipping. I weld my own driveshafts if they need to be shortened the making longer is the hard part if your trying to match the round stock and dont have it laying around.
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You still need a local shop to be able to true it and balance it, retubing you remove the tube and install a new longer tube
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Front drive shaft out of a mid 80's Chevy/GMC solid axle pick up or full size blazer. You get the double cardigan joint, heavy walled tube and the same size u joints as your jeep and all you have to do is shorten it.
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Unread 08-25-2013, 11:22 AM   #6
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Some mid 80's are single jointed shafts and others are also single jointed shafts with yoke shafts at the t-case and the others are all saginaw style and won't work and have the wrong series and use a flange yoke at the t-case.
The early 70's, very early 70's use a shaft that may work and those are rare that use the 1310 centering flange yoke like that of a jeep.
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Finally someone with a original idea for the purpose of this thread. No offence mr evil but I dont run to the store and get things done. Your are missing the purpose of the thread. I build my rig and a lot of the one's around here. Deep pockets make you lazy. I support the local man because i am one of them. I figure if my customers are coming to me and these questions it deserves a thread. Now What is the length on the k5 blazer shaft. I forgot they also used the same type of shaft. Do you know if they use the same u joint? I thought they where larger in that case i could use a conversion u joint like i use on 8.8 ford axles.
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The k5 does not use the same shaft, you didn't read what i posted.

Deep pockets has nothing to do with what i said, i thought id save you from wasting time, time that can never be replaced and is worth more to me than money.

However in your case you are going to have to go to the local driveline shop since you won't have the ability to true and balance the shaft.
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Some mid 80's are single jointed shafts and others are also single jointed shafts with yoke shafts at the t-case and the others are all saginaw style and won't work and have the wrong series and use a flange yoke at the t-case.
The early 70's, very early 70's use a shaft that may work and those are rare that use the 1310 centering flange yoke like that of a jeep.
IIRC that is why I said SOLID FRONT AXLE and no they are not rare, Every single guy in my club that has done a CV drive shaft has used the same '80-'86 drive shaft same as me. Oh look here's one now...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-1980-86-...9d1628&vxp=mtr

You still mad because you got called out in the other thread?

So care to tell us what the operating angle is and the drive line length is on a YJ/TJ that is running your nifty set up?



I take it you have never broken a U joint in your wheeling and lost the fluid or had to presidential solution your rear slip yoke to keep the fluid in your TC. Again what works well for the street/mall doesn't do so well when you actually wheel it.I know, you have been in the "business since 1872" and I am just a no nothing punk...

You must have never scrubbed a DS balancing weight off crawling over a rock and used hose clamps to rebalance your shaft, or used a run out gauge, a 20 ton press and some v notched 3/4" plate to true your drive shaft. We do it all the time on the farm out here when it is an hour one way to town. Have I built shafts as my soul source of income? Not even close, but I have built DS for everything from a ford ranger to a KW W900 truck to a 300hp Tractor and every other PTO driven implement on our farm growing up.
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And you have learned nothing from anything. As i said and you have shown.again , you don't or.can't read, but as the picture clearly shows, I am right , that shaft is a sag shaft and has a flange yoke mount and is the wrong series.

Hey op buy it so you can waste your money and explain to the reading impaired why it didn't work.
Farmers are notorious for doing all kinds of.backyard not right stuff, don't tell others to do dangerous dumb things.
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I take it you have never broken a U joint in your wheeling and lost the fluid or had to presidential solution your rear slip yoke to keep the fluid in your TC. Again what works well for the street/mall doesn't do so well when you actually wheel it.I know, you have been in the "business since 1872" and I am just a no nothing punk...
Actually i have broken front and rear diffs in half, ripped up and split H-yokes, broke t-cases off the back of the trans.... When i test things i do things you wouldn't ever try.
Didn't say you're a punk, but you haven't ever done any testing nor understand why and how things are or need to be the way they are.
You most definitely do not read and go on about things that you do not know, as if you do and you clearly do not.


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You must have never scrubbed a DS balancing weight off crawling over a rock and used hose clamps to rebalance your shaft, or used a run out gauge, a 20 ton press and some v notched 3/4" plate to true your drive shaft. We do it all the time on the farm out here when it is an hour one way to town. Have I built shafts as my soul source of income? Not even close, but I have built DS for everything from a ford ranger to a KW W900 truck to a 300hp Tractor and every other PTO driven implement on our farm growing up.
Why would I use hose clamps to balance a shaft ? i will do it right and balance it on a machine to remove all vibrations, not just the ones you feel, i don't want my case or bearings wrecked, and a 20 ton press is NOT truing up anything, and you do not understand what truing is, and here is why you don't get what im saying and the diarrhea of the mouth flows so steady from you as you just get deeper and deeper from what is being said.

PTO's aren't anything that need all that much since they spin so slow as are most jeeps that are trail use only, trail use only and rock jeeps are the easiest of shafts , they don't have to be all that special.
But the ones that get used on the street aren't going to live when they aren't trued right and not balanced and wind up wrecking end yokes and cases and bearings at both ends, which is related to balancing issues and are why transfer cases crack also, not because the shaft was another 10 lbs heavier...
Which again shows your trans shop and you should stick to sweeping floors and doing nothing mechanical.
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You use clamps to balance it after you scrubbed them off on the trail to get you HOME... Reading comprehension, get some.
You want to engage in personal attacks, feel free to PM and keep the tech in the appropriate forum.
I find it interesting that you have been a member here since march of 2005 and nary a single friend. Just because you have done something for X # of years doesn't mean you have done it right.

You know nothing about who I am, what I do, what I have done, yet you toss out the "I'm the expurt, listen to me!!!" at every chance. You are the ONLY person that I have ever head that "does this for a living that advocates putting a double cardigan joint instead of a SYE on a wrangler. Of course you would, you sell more driveshafts that way, yeah, your motives are pure as the driven snow. How many class 8 truck DS have you built? I wonder how that much rotating mass would behave if it weren't trued and balanced correctly?

Wind your neck in before you hurt yourself.
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Id drive it home as is and rebalance it at the shop,

So you havent had ANYONE here who knows how to do anything other than the wrong way You did and the SYE option.
So I gave to all who read this another option YOU didn't know existed.

I have done 100's of thousands of trucks, even modified trucks that.twist frames with more TQ than you can imagine, I have the longest stongest shafts in this country. Shafts for 30k HP turbines...
So what exactly do you think you know that I don't ?

What would you like to learn about truck shafts and balancing ? Someone who uses V blocks to true a shaft and is doing nothing of the sort.
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You are the ONLY person that I have ever head that "does this for a living that advocates putting a double cardigan joint instead of a SYE on a wrangler. Of course you would, you sell more driveshafts that way, yeah, your motives are pure as the driven snow.

Here is the level of you're experience and lack of ability to understand what it is im talking about and your ability to read.

When you go to a SYE what do you need ? you need a __________

(so your stupidity in thinking of motives being something is as pure as the driven snow is just utterly retarded, you need to do something for a driveshaft with either option, one modifies your existing shaft and one totally changes it and throws your shaft away)

When you go to a SYE you are doing it to GET a CV head and be able to run the angles you have increased.

When you take the option i gave you the only thing you aren't having to do is anything involving the t-case.

You are able to add the CV shaft without needing to touch the t-case.

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And you also add in issues of the drove shaft pulling out of the Tcase which cases the magic redl fluid to pour out on the ground.
The OP stated he is going to do a SYE. But you missed that part aI guess.

WE have gone the rounds on why your wonderful idea of running a SY with a CV on it and all of the issues which you are the only person in the free world to not have issues with.
A slip yoke is weaker than a fixed yoke and has a whole host of issues when used in modified vehicles for OFF ROAD that causes the SY to move farther than it is safe to. You still think that having a suspension system that has nearly double the range of articulation can safely be solved by reusing the stock SY or even a longer SY? The further out on the tail shaft you put the load, does the forces acting on the bearings/case/Shaft get smaller or greater? Since the forces get greater, which you know accelerates wear and increases exponentially the incidence of failure why would you continue to advocate your "re-use the SY" mantra other than the fact you have so much of your ego wrapped up in it.

What might work for a drag car, a mall crawler or a show truck, doesn't mean it will last in a vehicle that has nearly double the suspension articulation that is cycling it off road.
If you idea actually had merit, don't you think that every one would be doing it because it is cheaper? Oh right, we're all victims of several dozen companies that have developed products that overcome the shortfalls of the STOCK suspension and driveline systems.

I have pointed out why it doesn't work, why it failed in my and every one elses rig and how to fix it right the first time.

Why don't you PM Jerry Bransford or Mr Blain and ask them the follies of your ground breaking approach.
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