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post #16 of 40 Old 01-04-2008, 05:59 PM
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I'm guessing since you sold it, the pace setter header was a waste of money lol. I was looking at it because of price, and I figured it would be worth a few hp. Did improve your performance at all?
I couldn't get it to fit right so i just sold it


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post #17 of 40 Old 01-04-2008, 07:06 PM
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i got the E6420 c2d 2.13ghz 4mb l2 cache 1066 fsb. I thought it would have worked with my current mobo since it is socket 775 but it doesn't . I have a radeon x800 pro (overclocked to 546mhz core and 1107 mhz memory) 1gb ddr 400 ram and a 150gb raptor 10k rpm and 200gb maxtor drive. Thing is with the new motherboard i will have to upgrade ram and videocard since it will be ddr2 and pcie Yes i dabble in gaming too. I really want the cam but now i have a $210 chip (which i paid $160) just sitting here so i don't know

ps. that radeon x1950 is a very good card and is the best for agp
Ha, I've been building comps for ages. In fact, I've got my old FX-53 A64 sitting here in the desk collecting dust, and the x800pro that the x1950pro replaced as well.

I loved the x800pro, but lack of SM3.0 support sucked when you couldn't even play games the card could easily handle. So I found a great deal on a gecube x1950pro for $115 on newegg after a 30 buck mail in rebate. I already had 2x 1gb pc3200 kingston hyper-x so I didn't want to lose that either.

Rig is maxed out as far as upgradability goes though, so I kind did a " " with the decision afterwards.


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Crank 300
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...TODAY.m238.lVI

rods 150
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...TODAY.m238.lVI

rebuild kit 400
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB....cWAT.m240.lVI

If you can do the work, you can get a stroker for under a grand.

Hmmm i'm very interested in that mopar cam. You should definantly write a review of the cam. Is there anyone else running one. I would love to see the gains from a performance cam. I would love to be able to gain a few hp with a cam, before having to tear into the engine.

You got a link?
If a stroker were that easy, everybody would have one by now. What about injectors? You need oversized injectors to keep the A/F ratio correct. What about a crankshaft spacer for the harmonic balancer? What's the dish volume of those pistons? Better plan on some machine work to get the CR and quench correct. What about your cooling system? Is your 10+ year old cooling system up to the task of cooling a 15% larger engine? What's the condition of your head? You surely wouldn't put a high mileage head on a new short block. I think you get the idea of where I'm going with this.

If you can build a stroker with those parts for around a grand, you my friend are amazing. But back to reality for the rest of us, those parts will be about half the cost of a stroker.

As for the cam selection, the best bet is one made by mopar...either the OEM cam or the mopar performance cams. Crane and Comp Cams have not figured out how to build a reliable cam, and nobody I know of has gotten more than 34k miles before one of their cams has worn out. The Crane 753905 is the most popular 4.0 cam, but it's also the most notorious for premature failure. Do some research, and you'll have second thoughts about Crane.

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Are all the cams flat tappet?
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Yes. 4.0 cams are hydraulic tappet cams. However, there are some cams available that use solid lifters. These cams are only suitable for forced induction or strokers.

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Ha, I've been building comps for ages. In fact, I've got my old FX-53 A64 sitting here in the desk collecting dust, and the x800pro that the x1950pro replaced as well.

I loved the x800pro, but lack of SM3.0 support sucked when you couldn't even play games the card could easily handle. So I found a great deal on a gecube x1950pro for $115 on newegg after a 30 buck mail in rebate. I already had 2x 1gb pc3200 kingston hyper-x so I didn't want to lose that either.

Rig is maxed out as far as upgradability goes though, so I kind did a " " with the decision afterwards.

Yeah, well my px349d2 9er got a lof435pp motherboard and it flies! You might as well be writing in chinese. I think most of us know nothing about what you just said. No big deal.

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Ha, I've been building comps for ages. In fact, I've got my old FX-53 A64 sitting here in the desk collecting dust, and the x800pro that the x1950pro replaced as well.

I loved the x800pro, but lack of SM3.0 support sucked when you couldn't even play games the card could easily handle. So I found a great deal on a gecube x1950pro for $115 on newegg after a 30 buck mail in rebate. I already had 2x 1gb pc3200 kingston hyper-x so I didn't want to lose that either.

Rig is maxed out as far as upgradability goes though, so I kind did a " " with the decision afterwards.
I am basically in the same place you are. My 3.06ghz P4 is basically at the end of it life. What games could you not play with the x800 because all the games I wanted to play I can?

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As for the cam selection, the best bet is one made by mopar...either the OEM cam or the mopar performance cams. Crane and Comp Cams have not figured out how to build a reliable cam, and nobody I know of has gotten more than 34k miles before one of their cams has worn out. The Crane 753905 is the most popular 4.0 cam, but it's also the most notorious for premature failure. Do some research, and you'll have second thoughts about Crane.
That is why when I do eventually buy a cam it will be a mopar performance cam

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Oh yeah my header comes in on monday unless ups delays it

This is a picture of the header, I got it for $165


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I am basically in the same place you are. My 3.06ghz P4 is basically at the end of it life. What games could you not play with the x800 because all the games I wanted to play I can?
Well yea, I only had the FX-53 for about a month before I bought the X2 4200+. However, I was using an old p4 2.8ghz for years with 2gb of ram and that x800pro.

As far as games I couldn't play...:

Bioshock, medal of honor airboune, and some other games that required SM3.0. Today was my bday so I just got call of duty 4 and unreal tournament III, which I might say run excellent on my rig.

BTW, total cost for my rig was about $300 after shipping and taxes. $60 motherboard, $60 cpu and $115 videocard. Already had everything else.


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Well yea, I only had the FX-53 for about a month before I bought the X2 4200+. However, I was using an old p4 2.8ghz for years with 2gb of ram and that x800pro.

As far as games I couldn't play...:

Bioshock, medal of honor airboune, and some other games that required SM3.0. Today was my bday so I just got call of duty 4 and unreal tournament III, which I might say run excellent on my rig.

BTW, total cost for my rig was about $300 after shipping and taxes. $60 motherboard, $60 cpu and $115 videocard. Already had everything else.
UT3 looks awsome but I have only played the beta. I used to play ut2k4 all the time and I even had a dedicated server for it.

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Alex is that an APN header? If so I think you're going to have to do some grinding to fit. It fit when I had the 97 intake manifold but when I ordered the 99 I had to grind some of the #6 intake runner to fit properly. Just a little heads up.

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If a stroker were that easy, everybody would have one by now. What about injectors? You need oversized injectors to keep the A/F ratio correct. What about a crankshaft spacer for the harmonic balancer? What's the dish volume of those pistons? Better plan on some machine work to get the CR and quench correct. What about your cooling system? Is your 10+ year old cooling system up to the task of cooling a 15% larger engine? What's the condition of your head? You surely wouldn't put a high mileage head on a new short block. I think you get the idea of where I'm going with this.

If you can build a stroker with those parts for around a grand, you my friend are amazing. But back to reality for the rest of us, those parts will be about half the cost of a stroker.

There's a cheap way out of a lot of the downfalls of a low-buck stroker. It's called propane. With a 112-115 octane rating, it's really hard to mess the quench up bad enough, or even to get the CR high enough to really see the full potental of the gas. Parts for it are god damn cheap too... Cooling, blah, if you guys ever figured out how to make the closed system work you'd not have issues. I run a god damn stock rear rad and don't have (many) issues, so it's gotta be easy in the front.

And who cares about a used head? Check the valve wear and re-lap them and call it good.

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UT3 looks awsome but I have only played the beta. I used to play ut2k4 all the time and I even had a dedicated server for it.
Yea, I'm a big fan of the UT series, dating back to the originals. Great games, and none have been a let down.


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Alex is that an APN header? If so I think you're going to have to do some grinding to fit. It fit when I had the 97 intake manifold but when I ordered the 99 I had to grind some of the #6 intake runner to fit properly. Just a little heads up.
it is like the apn header but has better welds, thanks for the heads up

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