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Unread 07-28-2006, 12:39 AM   #1
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Ordered it about 4 weeks ago and just got home today from being out of town for several days and it was waiting for me. All the way from the UK specially made for my setup!




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Unread 07-28-2006, 12:50 AM   #2
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Unread 07-28-2006, 01:11 AM   #3
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What's it do?
thats what i was gonna ask?
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Unread 07-28-2006, 01:36 AM   #4
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What's it do?
An engine management computer (DME/ECU), regardless of how sophisticated or crude, really only controls two parameters. The ignition timing and the fuel delivery. The computer (DME or some aftermarket brand) uses an array of input sensors to try and determine what state the engine is in at any point in time. Is it driving along on the freeway at low rpm, or at max throttle climbing a hill at high rpm? Is it hot outside so that the air is thin? Or is it cold and the air is real dense?

The list goes on, but the goal of the computer at all times is to sample its input sensors and then determine the appropriate output signals for ignition timing and fuel delivery (usually this determines how long the fuel injectors fire, which is called the pulse width, but it can also entail "when" to fire the injectors if the injection is sequential).

The two most important things that the computer wants to know in order to determine spark and fuel are: 1) engine load, and 2) engine rpm. Engine rpm is easily determined from a crank sensor (CPS). But engine load is a little more tricky. The best parameter to use in determining engine load is the MASS of air entering the engine at any time. If you can measure the mass of air directly then you are well off. Most current vehicals do just this with what is called a MAF sensor, or mass air flow sensor. This is usually some type of heated wire or film, which is cooled by the air flowing over it. In order to keep the wire at the same temperature additional electrical current must be provided, and the measure of this extra current gives a fairly direct indication of the mass air flow.

Older vehicals used a similar system, although it measures the VOLUME of air flowing into the engine. The sensor is called an AFM, which stands for air flow meter. The volumetric flow is determined by how far a flapper (or barn door) is pushed aside by the incoming air. The flapper is connected to a potentiometer (variable resistor, POT, wiper, there are many names). But for the computer to know how much fuel to mix with the air it needs to know how many molecules of air are coming in, and that can only be determined by knowing the MASS of the air, not just the volume. So, we need to combine the AFM air volume signal with an air TEMPERATURE measurement. Then the air mass can be determined. So we are ok.

Note that in both cases the computer has some hard data on how much air is entering the engine, so if you improve engine breathing (header cams etc...), the basic code will still sort of work as the computer is aware of the additional air. It's not perfect, but it works ok most of the time for changes that are not too drastically different than the baseline.

Alpha-N is different. Here there is no direct measurement of either the mass of air, nor the volume of air entering the engine. That way any possible obstruction from either a MAF sensor or AFM sensor in the intake path is removed. The air can flow right into the engine unobstructed (what I am doing with my supercharger setup). So how does the computer know what to do? It still has rpm info from the crank, but it can't measure the mass of air coming into the engine for fuel mixture determination?

The answer, in a crude sense, is that you "train" the computer what to do in a given situation (on the dyno). For every possible combination of throttle position and rpm, I will determine the appropriate ignition timing and fuel delivery to yield max power but not incur detonation. The computer just remembers all this (in the form of maps which are stored on a chip or via a laptop), and when it sees a certain combination of rpm and throttle position in the field, it just says "what did they tell me to do in this situation?" and does that.

So now throttle position and RPM are the two dominant input parameters to the engine computer. This is where the Alpha-N name derives from. Alpha for the angle of the throttle plates and N for RPM.

Now if you have an Alpha-N system, and add a hotter cam that allow more air into the engine, but you do not reprogram the Alpha-N computer, then the computer has no knowledge of the extra air now entering the engine and it just gives the fuel and spark that it was told was appropriate for the milder cam. One can see how this could be a problem. Your mixture especially, but also your ignition timing will be way off. If your mixture goes lean you can potentially damage the engine. That is why folks say that an Alpha-N system needs to be retuned everytime you make a change to the engine. The computer is "flying blind" to some extent, although it does at least have an air temp sensor and a barro sensor to try to compensate for density changes in the air due to temperature and elevation.

Being that with the supercharger I am going to essentially eliminate a TB (and all sesnors connected to the TB) I needed some sort of "map" for my Motec Engine Managment. Alpha-N is going to be what gives my Motec those paramators. Sound complicated? Good cause it is...

I have oversimplified some subjects to make it easier to understand, and as usual there is probably more that I did not say than that I did say about Alpha-N, but hopefully that gets you a little closer to understanding it.
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Unread 07-28-2006, 01:43 AM   #5
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Unread 07-28-2006, 01:46 AM   #6
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To much (yes over $1000)....
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Unread 07-28-2006, 11:38 AM   #7
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Still not sure that I'm convinced that the Alpha-N is the best choice. That's a lot of dyno time. It seems like a good choice for a vehicle that sees nothing but track, but on a rig that may see a 5000+ ft. elevation change in one trip, it just doesn't sound like the ideal setup. I know that you can dial everything in down to a gnat's ***, but you'll need to have so many different maps set up.
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Unread 07-28-2006, 03:59 PM   #8
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To much (yes over $1000)....
holy **** thats a lot of money

do u get to use the dyno where you work for free?
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Unread 08-02-2006, 09:22 AM   #9
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Still not sure that I'm convinced that the Alpha-N is the best choice. That's a lot of dyno time. It seems like a good choice for a vehicle that sees nothing but track, but on a rig that may see a 5000+ ft. elevation change in one trip, it just doesn't sound like the ideal setup. I know that you can dial everything in down to a gnat's ***, but you'll need to have so many different maps set up.
You do have a point, however with the Motec you can simply changed the alt. paramater and the system "should" realize what's going on and make the correct adjustments as needed.

Also, have you ever been to IN? I'd have to lift my XJ with a chopper to see anywhere near a 5000+ft elevation change. Where I'm at it won't be a huge concern...
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Unread 08-02-2006, 09:23 AM   #10
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holy **** thats a lot of money

do u get to use the dyno where you work for free?
I have access to about 4-5 different dyno's in the area that I often use (free).
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Unread 08-02-2006, 10:49 AM   #11
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I have access to about 4-5 different dyno's in the area that I often use (free).
I envy your dyno useage.....
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Unread 08-02-2006, 05:44 PM   #12
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You do have a point, however with the Motec you can simply changed the alt. paramater and the system "should" realize what's going on and make the correct adjustments as needed.

Also, have you ever been to IN? I'd have to lift my XJ with a chopper to see anywhere near a 5000+ft elevation change. Where I'm at it won't be a huge concern...
Right, I always forget that a big hill out there is 50 feet tall.
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Unread 11-21-2006, 01:25 PM   #13
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Just an update. The Alpha-N is installed and wired. I have it tapped into the Motec, now I just need to get the Motec up and running (finished wired) so I can start the XJ running on 100% aftermarket engine managment.

Once I have it running on Motec the blower goes on. I have the new mounts made and it's ready to bolt on. I just need to do something with the hood...
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Unread 11-21-2006, 04:45 PM   #14
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Unread 11-21-2006, 05:37 PM   #15
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If the MAF sensor is an obstruction then wouldn't it make sense to switch to like a 5 bar map sensor? They're just a tiny little probe you stick in your intake pipe rather than a big honeycomb type configuration that some MAF sensors consist of. Plus it takes alot more to max them out unlike MAF sensors.
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