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post #931 of 2859 Old 11-27-2013, 11:49 PM
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Both my ZJ & XJ need rocker repair, rusty PA thank you. I'll start with the "RuffStuff" http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/XJRAIL.html .

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Both my ZJ & XJ need rocker repair, rusty PA thank you. I'll start with the "RuffStuff" http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/XJRAIL.html .
Oh yes, my wallet is featherweight. Its sad because Ive set back enough money for my car to do stiffeners, rocker replacement, and control arms for the XJ lol. The wife doesnt mind me dropping money on the Mustang as much for now haha.

Ill be buying HD offroad stiffeners when the time comes. Good pricing and they are pre drilled for several rosette welds, plus goos thickness for welding to the thin rails easily.

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Do the stiffeners first. If you crush a rocker between now and then, oh well.


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Do the stiffeners first. If you crush a rocker between now and then, oh well.
Yea, I suppose you all have a point. Ill probably wait a little longer on the project then. ****in unibodies and their thin ****.

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You guy's know the XJ better than I, but it seems doing the rock sliders before the frame just moves the crushable point from the rockers to the frame. That could result in much worse damage than rockers.

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You guy's know the XJ better than I, but it seems doing the rock sliders before the frame just moves the crushable point from the rockers to the frame. That could result in much worse damage than rockers.

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Possible, but people run bolton sliders to the factory rail all the time. Most of those only have two bracing legs with a minimal mounting plate held on by some self tappers.

Id be running 3 legs to lengths of 3" angle welded to the rail. 3" angle is all stiffeners are for the most part really. I have access to a good chunk of it for practically nothing, could just make my own lol.

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You guy's know the XJ better than I, but it seems doing the rock sliders before the frame just moves the crushable point from the rockers to the frame. That could result in much worse damage than rockers.

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Nailed it.

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You guy's know the XJ better than I, but it seems doing the rock sliders before the frame just moves the crushable point from the rockers to the frame. That could result in much worse damage than rockers.

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The unirails will take a more significant hit than the rockers. But cutting the stock rockers out and burning 2x6 rockers in before you do uni-stiffeners just doesn't make a lot of sense. Without tie-ins you just have a hunk of steel waiting to be pushed up into everything. And without stiffeners you don't have anything to tie-in to.

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The unirails will take a more significant hit than the rockers. But cutting the stock rockers out and burning 2x6 rockers in before you do uni-stiffeners just doesn't make a lot of sense. Without tie-ins you just have a hunk of steel waiting to be pushed up into everything. And without stiffeners you don't have anything to tie-in to.
I dont have a bit of disagreement that stiffeners are a needed item to maintain longevity of the Jeep as a whole, but using 3" angle iron to plate the areas the legs are mounted to would be plenty strong to take a side hit. As good as stiffeners are, these Jeeps arent going to fall apart and snap in half out there running tires in the 33" range.

Think about your front rails. They are not plated with stiffeners. Your trackbar bracket is mounted to a relatively small length of the rail which is just as thin as the rest of the rails. It hangs below the rail, mounted to the trackbar which constantly acts on that small area of thin unibody rail as a lever, keeping the entire axle located. Every time you wheel all that force is constantly beating, banging and prying on a 6" long section of thin unibody rail.

By the same logic how is it that that 5 feet of 3/16" tube welded to the top then braced to the rail with 3 legs, that all weld onto 3 6" long pieces of 3" angle iron plug and stitch welded to the sides and bottom of the rail would taco my Jeep when I come down on a rock? Only difference between this way and bought stiffeners is the 3 plated areas would be connected.

I say all this with full intent to do stiffeners, just doing a little devils advocate here to get the brain flowing.

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HD FTMFW!!!
(i'm going with the lift option though - when I get mine)

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HD FTMFW!!!
(i'm going with the lift option though - when I get mine)
HD has some genuinely beefy stuff for sure! I had considered the lift version but Im pretty happy with my current height. That and with my cut and fold I can already see the entire shackle, didnt know if itd look right hanging down any farther.

Ive got another pair of longer shackles that Im going to try and run with these to pick up a half inch of lift or so just to support extra weight of tools and fullsize spare I added.

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