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post #496 of 2859 Old 06-16-2013, 04:39 PM
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Haha oooppss my bad. Upgrade time!
Could you get me the length on that Tie rod?


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post #497 of 2859 Old 06-16-2013, 07:28 PM Thread Starter
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Could you get me the length on that Tie rod?
35" end to end for the rod itself.

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post #498 of 2859 Old 06-16-2013, 07:36 PM
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35" end to end for the rod itself.
Thanks
Any info on the tie rod ends? Like threads per inch?

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post #499 of 2859 Old 06-16-2013, 07:37 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks
Any info on the tie rod ends? Like threads per inch?

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No prob! And Im not so sure on the thread.

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post #500 of 2859 Old 06-16-2013, 07:45 PM
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I may make one! I need the thread pitch though -.- you rock haha

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post #501 of 2859 Old 06-17-2013, 08:35 AM
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Probably easier to just go get a ZJ v8 rod from the JY.

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'00 XJ 6.5" on 35" KM2s
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post #502 of 2859 Old 06-17-2013, 10:25 AM
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Probably easier to just go get a ZJ v8 rod from the JY.
Been there....done that.....
Prob fine for the very light trail driving....
But if you think you're going to find yourself in the rocks at all, I would prob think about a stronger upgrade..... the IRO Tie Rod is a good start, but I think that still uses the OEM XJ Rod Ends.....
I've been thru 3 stages of steering upgrades myself, and if I were to do it all over again, I would skip the first two. Good learning experience (wouldnt trade that for anything) but here's why:

From left to right......
-XJ TRE on RC Upgraded Tie Rod (basically same as the IRO Tie rod upgrade.
-ZJ Tie Rod and TRE
-1 Ton GM TRE


Here is the XJ vs ZJ comparison:

And a Closer look at the XJ vs ZJ TRE's


1-ton "Inverted-T" steering set-up (bottom) vs ZJ "Inverted-Y" steering set-up (top)




ZJ set up


VS.
1-ton OTK (over the knuckle) Inverted T


For anything larger than 30" tires, the stock cherokee set-up just cant handle much more than DD duties..... for 31-33" tires, the ZJ stuff is fine for LIGHT wheeling, and DD duties, but for 33 or larger, and more than just dirt road wheeling, you'll want to beef things up a bit more.....
YES I went a little above and beyond, but like I said, I've gone thru several phases of my own steering upgrades. My first ZJ set up bent like a buttered noodle the first rock it com into contact with..... the problem with the ZJ Tie Rod.... is that it already is bent..... they come from the factory bent, in order to retain proper geometry and diff clearance.
Once bent, its easy to bend further..... now going with the upgraded chromoly/DOM tubing Tie Rods from companies like IRO or RC is good, but your weak link is then transferred to your TRE's..... and of course the rod itself is still low hanging fruit ready to be plucked by the occasional stump or rock. I did my 1-ton OTK set up completely on a budget, its not all that hard to do, it DOES require some modification and some light fab work, (mainly just welding) ...... but its WELL worth it in the long run.
I did a very pic-heavy write up of the whole procedure in my build thread in case you want to check out some of your options.

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post #503 of 2859 Old 06-17-2013, 10:48 AM Thread Starter
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Good post NW99XJ. I read your in depth experience with this in your build a while back. Sounds counterintuitive based on your recommendations but your findings are actually what pushed me to do the IRO rod. Obviously the factory rod is a twizzler, so I was needing an upgrade. For reasons you mentioned I never really cared for the ZJ V8 rod. As you said, a one ton inverted T setup is the best choice, but as you discovered it causes a lot of clearance issues. One day when I decide to go OTA with the trackbar I intend to do the 1 ton setup with it, but the IRO setup was just in my best interests at this point. The stock TRE's are certainly the weak link there but for now thats much easier to sort out on the trail than a wadded up factory rod.

At 66 bucks its certainly a cost efficient option. Ill have big boy steering one day haha.

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Good post NW99XJ. I read your in depth experience with this in your build a while back. Sounds counterintuitive based on your recommendations but your findings are actually what pushed me to do the IRO rod. Obviously the factory rod is a twizzler, so I was needing an upgrade. For reasons you mentioned I never really cared for the ZJ V8 rod. As you said, a one ton inverted T setup is the best choice, but as you discovered it causes a lot of clearance issues. One day when I decide to go OTA with the trackbar I intend to do the 1 ton setup with it, but the IRO setup was just in my best interests at this point. The stock TRE's are certainly the weak link there but for now thats much easier to sort out on the trail than a wadded up factory rod.

At 66 bucks its certainly a cost efficient option. Ill have big boy steering one day haha.
You have the right mindset..... and I think with where your build is at, you'll be fine until that "one day" comes.


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Obviously the factory rod is a twizzler
LMAO!!!!! THIS!!!!!!

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One day I'll have 1 ton OTK, one day.

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Work has been wide open, so as usual Im stuck in my pre-wheeling trip crunch time. Ill be back at WBR to wheel again in 3 days, and still a lot to do. Tonight though I did manage to get everything welded up on the rail, then put the tank back in and fired it up. First time its been started since last week.

Before grinding/paint. My out of position welding is booger worthy at times but its burned in solid, my mini-sledge performed that test lol.


Im going to start on the Aussie install tomorrow afternoon.

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post #507 of 2859 Old 06-20-2013, 09:23 AM
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man the steering is great.. looks beefy .. And love all the pics

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MTBlue and I had his Jeep in this condition yesterday. 2"bb

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post #510 of 2859 Old 06-20-2013, 08:41 PM Thread Starter
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MTBlue and I had his Jeep in this condition yesterday. 2"bb
Nice nice.

Well, as of this afternoon no more d30 spider gears for me.


I took a fair amount of pics throughout the process I will try and post up later on to serve as somewhat of a mini-writeup. The whole process was really simple tho, I just recommend taking extra care to mark everything and put it back exactly as it came out.

Ive gotta button the rest back up tomorrow, so Ill be able to truly test it then. Pumped.

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