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Unread 02-01-2012, 08:43 PM   #1
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summer hatch.. opinions?

last summer i made myself a set of halfdoors





i still need to finish the rear doors, but i really enjoyed the open-ness of them without the lack of attention (cops, theifs ect..) and dirt that gets into my jeep being completly doorless during the summer.

ive always wanted my rear window to be removable and i got to thinking today since the weather was GORGEOUS (69 febuary in NJ?!:)

what if i removed the hatch, got a comanche tailgate and a doner hatch to clean up the edges a bit. well i did a good amount of searching and came across this photoshoped mock up-





not sure if anyone has actually done this.. if anyone knows please chim in.

i would use the comanche tailgate as the lower and a doner hatch to cut up to keep it clean around the edges. hatch peice would be bolted secure to the jeep. no window of course


thoughts, opinions and concerns on this "summer hatch" idea? the halfdoors stayed on through all weather conditions last summer (even hurricane Irene ) so im not worried about that.

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Unread 02-01-2012, 09:23 PM   #2
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Would be a great thing during a hot summer day or a trip down the shore, but for wheeling idk. On an xj the rear hatch is structural to the unibody so when wheeling you would be putting more stress on the unibody then without it for sure (that rear hatch is a heavy sob) What kind of wheeling do you do? if your just mudding in the pine barrens or what not unibody structure isn't a big deal but if your into rocks I'd say your gona stress the body a lot.

Also would have to attach with some type of quick pin setup or something, would be badass if you can make it work though.
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Unread 02-01-2012, 09:24 PM   #3
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That's actually a really cool idea. It would probably take a lot of metal work and not look as clean as stock but a split rear hatch like that would be awesome!

And yes, as a fellow Jerseyan I can say WTF to this weather as well.
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Unread 02-01-2012, 09:56 PM   #4
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Would be a great thing during a hot summer day or a trip down the shore, but for wheeling idk. On an xj the rear hatch is structural to the unibody so when wheeling you would be putting more stress on the unibody then without it for sure (that rear hatch is a heavy sob) What kind of wheeling do you do? if your just mudding in the pine barrens or what not unibody structure isn't a big deal but if your into rocks I'd say your gona stress the body a lot.

Also would have to attach with some type of quick pin setup or something, would be badass if you can make it work though.
not so much rocks. i do alot of hill/washout crawling, and prerunning through the pines. i do know its a structural support. once the tailgate is latched and the doner hatch piece is bolted on i dont see it being much, if any differant from the original hatch support though. the jeep is my DD also

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That's actually a really cool idea. It would probably take a lot of metal work and not look as clean as stock but a split rear hatch like that would be awesome!
And yes, as a fellow Jerseyan I can say WTF to this weather as well.
it wouldnt take much metal work at all, just cutting the doner hatch. the doner hatch peice owuld only be there to keep it clean/stock looking..ish

im not complainging about our recent weather
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Unread 02-01-2012, 11:11 PM   #5
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i dont see how the hatch adds structural support when it just latches and isnt even a solid connection, but thats just my .02 cents

one thing i have noticed driving without a hatch is when your in the dirt it basically acts as a vaccum and sucks all the dust into the cab. rolling all the windows down helps a little. just a heads up
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Unread 02-02-2012, 10:14 AM   #6
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i dont see how the hatch adds structural support when it just latches and isnt even a solid connection, but thats just my .02 cents

one thing i have noticed driving without a hatch is when your in the dirt it basically acts as a vaccum and sucks all the dust into the cab. rolling all the windows down helps a little. just a heads up
Ever try to open or close your hatch when the suspension is flexed? Doesn't happen.

The vacucm wouldnt be as big of an issue with the halfdoors on. If anything it would let the wind resistance out.

Talked to a friend and he's got an MJ gate he's going to try to get to me soon. Looks like ill be doing this sooner than I thought
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Unread 02-02-2012, 11:27 AM   #7
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The tailgate is the same width as the hatch?
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Unread 02-02-2012, 09:16 PM   #8
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Ever try to open or close your hatch when the suspension is flexed? Doesn't happen.
Just because the hatch gets wedged in between the body when you flex doesn't make it a structural piece. Im not trying to turn this thread into a pissing match so im not going to say anymore about the hatch being structural or not
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Unread 02-02-2012, 10:14 PM   #9
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The tailgate is the same width as the hatch?
yes

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Just because the hatch gets wedged in between the body when you flex doesn't make it a structural piece. Im not trying to turn this thread into a pissing match so im not going to say anymore about the hatch being structural or not
the fact that when flexed you can not open nor close the hatch proves there is some type of suport in the design. any type of "wedge" is still going to give some type of support over not having it there at all. building a cage could be considered a type of wedge to keep the unibody from twisting and cortorting really.. but like you said this isnt turning into a structural support debate.
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WHAT HAPPENED!!! I want to do this! Is the MJ tailgate really the same size?
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Unread 05-31-2013, 09:48 PM   #11
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I had a similar idea but since I built my own tube doors I was thinkin about makin a tube hatch so that it would be as structurally sound as a regular hatch. Any ideas?
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Unread 06-04-2013, 04:54 PM   #12
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This project got pushed aside for a while. I bought a daily driver and plan on chopping the roof off my jeep now, so I don't think nim going to revisit this idea. It would be nice to see someone bring it to life though
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Unread 06-04-2013, 05:05 PM   #13
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This project got pushed aside for a while. I bought a daily driver and plan on chopping the roof off my jeep now, so I don't think nim going to revisit this idea. It would be nice to see someone bring it to life though
I'm on it.
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