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Unread 06-29-2008, 07:07 PM   #1
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Smoked Lights...legal?

Ive seen a few Xjs on here with smoked rear lights and turn signals on the jeep forum, but was curious..are those legal or does it depend on the state? ( im currently living in new york )

The reason I ask this is because since last year, all rear window tinting has become illegal unless it was put on by the manufacture. Since their so stiff on that I figured it would be the same with tinted lights.

but if not illegal...where would be a good place to purchase some?

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Unread 06-30-2008, 11:15 AM   #2
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its state by state, so check local laws
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Unread 07-01-2008, 01:07 PM   #3
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Ive seen a few Xjs on here with smoked rear lights and turn signals on the jeep forum, but was curious..are those legal or does it depend on the state? ( im currently living in new york )

The reason I ask this is because since last year, all rear window tinting has become illegal unless it was put on by the manufacture. Since their so stiff on that I figured it would be the same with tinted lights.

but if not illegal...where would be a good place to purchase some?
Not sure about the legality in your local area, but vehicle lighting is actually pretty carefully engineered to work, so messing too much with it is risky. Best case in point is smoked or clear turn signals on the FRONT of an XJ. One reason XJs have two bright bulbs in the front turn signal is because the turn signal is so close to the headlamp. If you make that turn signal clear (like the headlamp) or too dim (smoked) then it can be masked by the bright headlamp right next to it so that people can't see it when the headlamp is on. Whenever a turn signal is within so many inches of a headlamp, there is a brightness multiplier that has to be added to the design to make sure the signal is still visible against the glare of the headlight.

Rear signals don't have the problem of headlight masking, but one reason that amber turn signals are so common is because a bright red brake light directly beside a red turn signal tends to mask it. It wasn't a problem back when most American cars used the same bulb for brake/turn so that the brake light was off when the turn signal was off, but two red lights side-by-side mask each other.

I'm not gonna be a curmudgeon and say "yer a dang fool if you dye yer taillights or smoke yer turn signals," but you should stop and think about visibility. I will be a little crustier about clear front signals and say that's just plain dumb because of headlights masking them.
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Unread 07-01-2008, 01:33 PM   #4
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i know IL is ok with it cause ive got it done on my ranger and the XJ
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Unread 07-01-2008, 02:00 PM   #5
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I'm not going to clear the front turn signals (well side ones I guess), because you bring up a good point and that could be dangerous. However, I'm going to smoke/red the rears. Lots of cars 2000 or so and later have all red rear lights, so it is certainly legal and IMO not dangerous.
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I have mine smoke and from what I was told by the cops I have talked to the said you need some form of reflector. I left my reverse lights unsmoked and haven't had a problem in over a year, even been pulled over and they never said a word about the lights.
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Unread 07-01-2008, 02:50 PM   #7
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Throw on some LED Bulbs if you are worried about visibility in the rear lights if they are darkened.
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Throw on some LED Bulbs if you are worried about visibility in the rear lights if they are darkened.
Is there LEDs that drop in? I would be all over this if there are. I like the whole LED/Smoke thing, sort of like some of the newer tail/brake lights.
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Is there LEDs that drop in? I would be all over this if there are. I like the whole LED/Smoke thing, sort of like some of the newer tail/brake lights.

Yup...I should be ordering some fairly soon myself.

http://www.v-leds.com/Shop/Control/P...d/0/SFV/32481#

Just got to find the bulb numbers you need and go from there.
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I'm not going to clear the front turn signals (well side ones I guess), because you bring up a good point and that could be dangerous. However, I'm going to smoke/red the rears. Lots of cars 2000 or so and later have all red rear lights, so it is certainly legal and IMO not dangerous.
Well, the cars that have blacked-out or smoked lamps from the factory may have higher intensity emitters or differently designed reflectors to compensate, too.

Black taillamps aren't a new thing, they go WAY back (mid 70s Pontiacs at least) so the technology is there. Same for clear- 80s Buicks and Cadillacs had clear rear lamps. I'm just saying you can't be sure that taking a lamp assembly engineered for one color lens will remain adequate when you re-color the lens.

As for LEDs, be careful. There are some LED lamps out that are great, but there are a whole lot more that suck rocks. Most of the ones that are mounted on a conventional bulb base fall into the suck rocks category.
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As for LEDs, be careful. There are some LED lamps out that are great, but there are a whole lot more that suck rocks. Most of the ones that are mounted on a conventional bulb base fall into the suck rocks category.
Agreed. For example...the ricer ones are autozone. They emit only a straight pattern of light and are just as bad/worse than stockers.

The ones I linked to are a much better quality product.
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Unread 07-04-2008, 10:21 PM   #13
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depends on the state, in VA i was told its as long as you can see the lights from 200 feet or something like that they are legal.

i slightly doubt NY will allow it but thats pure guess
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I have the clear lenses and there is no difference in seeing the turn signals with the headlights on. Just thought id throw that int here.
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Unread 07-20-2008, 10:19 PM   #15
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meh... not to jump in on an XJ post. but i rearended a woman w/ those clear taillights. the sun was directly behind me and she claims she had her T/S on but i never saw ANY of the lights come on.

not tryin to steer anyone away from anything they like, just pointing it out that any mods to lighting could be dangerous to an extent.
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