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Unread 07-15-2014, 07:03 PM   #1
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Need help! Frame cracked?

After i bought my jeep about a month ago i noticed this spot that almost looks like it was welded. I hadn't had a good chance to look at it until now. It almost looks like someone has welded the frame, maybe put a patch on it or something? Could the frame have been bent or is that something that was already there?







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Unread 07-15-2014, 07:06 PM   #2
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they cant weld for **** lol

your jeep have a clean title when you bought it? Looks like everything has been repainted, did u do that or buy it that way?
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Unread 07-15-2014, 07:16 PM   #3
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Ya i know! Yes it has a clean title. The PO said the undercarriage was painted already whenever he purchased it. None of the fenders or pumpers look like they have been repainted and only one small dent on driver side fender.

Do you think it was cracked and they attempted to fix it?
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Unread 07-15-2014, 09:22 PM   #4
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Rust repair perhaps.
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Rust repair perhaps.
^^^ This.

Take a wire brush to the area and see what's under that paint.
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are you supposed to just hit EVERYTHING with paint like that?
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Unread 07-17-2014, 11:30 AM   #7
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Compare the driver side area to the passenger side area.

That is either accident damage crudely repaired, or a cracked frame crudely repaired.
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Unread 07-19-2014, 07:58 PM   #8
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The passengers side looks clean with nothing welded that shouldn't be. The doors seem to line up the same on both sides. After inspecting it some more there appears to be a full plate running from the very front of the frame back to where it is welded. At the front it is bolts only nothing is welded. It is only welded where the pictures show. You can see up behind the plate in a couple spots and do not see any signs of being broke or anything. All of the fenders and everything seem to line up as they should.... I am going to have someone i know who knows a lot more about jeeps look at it whenever he gets a chance.
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Unread 07-20-2014, 01:34 AM   #9
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Anyone on advice on what to do? Is this something where i should run away? I don't want to screw someone else over but it appears it has been done to me. Paid $3000 for it and don't want it to be something i have to continue to mess with and spend money on. Besides that it is a good running jeep and in good shape, only 87000 miles on it.
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Unread 07-20-2014, 04:01 AM   #10
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I have been reading about people having issues with the frame cracking by the steering box. Is that where this is located? I am unsure where the steering box is.
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Unread 07-20-2014, 06:58 AM   #11
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The XJ Cherokee frame can crack near the steering box bolts. Use the Google, there are lots of pictures and threads on the topic.

Drive it and monitor the repair. If it's fine, fine. If it needs repair in the future, you can buy the parts needed and have them correctly welded.
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Unread 07-20-2014, 03:08 PM   #12
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I have been reading about people having issues with the frame cracking by the steering box. Is that where this is located? I am unsure where the steering box is.
Yes the steering box is there (see the round-ish thing with a shaft going into it on the left hand side of the first pic) and cracks are common here if the vehicle has been heavily off-roaded.

The welds are hard to say, they sure look ugly, but I've seen ugly welds that are plenty strong so that doesn't mean they are "bad" from a structual standpoint.

I would however recomend doing something to re-inforce the area (even if the welds are good the area will likely eventually re-crack due to the same stresses that caused it to crack in the first place), either by welding on some plate (clean up and inspect the existing welds and re-weld if necessary if you go this route) or with one of the bolt-on re-inforcement kits like this (note: if you plan on getting an aftermarket bumper many of those have frame-tie-ins that also reinforce the steering box area):C-ROK Frame Repair and Reinforcing Kit $95
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Here is a picture of the plate that runs from the front of the frame back to where it is welded. It is bolted on in several places and then welded at the very end.



This is the plate on the inside of the frame right next to the steering box.
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Unread 07-20-2014, 08:12 PM   #14
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The better pictures show that the plates are what is normally used for repair of a cracked frame rail. The welds still look ugly, but as already suggested may be good enough.

I would apply welds to all the slotted openings and around the perimeter of the plate. The plate and the frame rail will need to be cleaned to bare metal for best results.

Even if you do not get any additional welding, grind off the junk around the bolts and use some extra thick Grade 8 washers. Only remove and fix one bolt at a time.
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Unread 07-20-2014, 09:40 PM   #15
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Looks like they used this JKS repair kit. I don't think you have anything to worry about.

http://jksmfg.com/i-8938560-cherokee...side-only.html
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