[XJH-007]

This is going to be a Toy vs Jeep thread isn't it?

Oviously it will depend onthe mods. and how deep your pockets are.

I have a buddy that's gone through 2 Rovers.....I always like them, but after the problems he had I decided they are junk.

I would now trust my XJ in a Safari run more then a Rover.

[jeepestate]

Two of my best wheel'n buddies happen to drive Rovers. Both are very capable rigs with pletty of bells and whistles. I was on a 2" bb,31s and disco'd sway bars at the time and both Rovers had much more than that. My XJ followed everywhere they went with no problems. As far as stock vs stock... in my oppinion..the Rovers prob would have won.

[joshrad]

I think the older rovers are much more capable than the new ones. For that reason it depends on the year of the rover. I've seen some pretty nice looking 80's and 90's rovers before that did great off-road. One thing is I do not like the new ones nor their owners who are usually stuck up jerks.

I was on a trail once in my XJ coming down a hill and got to a brief flat spot and all of a sudden a line of maybe 6 brand new rovers with the windows up, obviously the ac was blasting, and they all had, no joke, street tires with maybe 3 inches of sidewall. First of all it was the middle of summer in the high 90's and I would never have the ac on when I'm on a trail. Anyway I pulled off to the side to be courteous b/c there was no way I could pass them, and they took a good 15 minutes to get past me b/c their tires could not get a grip on the hill they were trying to go up. I got out and was staring at them trying not to laugh b/c I'm sure an older rover owner would have had his face in his palm while this was going on.

Not trying to hate on rovers but this vid kinda proves my point about the new ones, especially if you wait til the end of it

YouTube - Who said Range Rovers were good off road!!*-

[XJNUTTIER]

Originally Posted by XJohnnyC

Yes, the attitude of some Rover owners is not the best. Earlier this year, I was leading a group of five Jeeps through John Bull up in Big Bear. We came across a group of three Rovers who were blocking the trail because one of them was broken down.

When we asked if we could get by, they refused to move their vehicles even though there was plenty of room. So we asked what we could do to help. The broken down Discovery had tried to winch over a not-so-big rock and had gotten stuck. Couldn't winch forward anymore. And he couldn't roll back since his winch cable was so taut that they couldn't release the winch clutch.

I went down, got my winch line on him and pulled him forward enough so that they could remove his winch line. Then I had to jump-start him three times until the engine would keep running. End of story, or so we thought.

He decides to turn around and go back into town. But his two buddies wanted to keep going forward. So they tell their friend to go back into town with us. They didn't ask us or anything, but being nice guys, we said that we could make sure he got back into town since it was only a few miles.

About a half mile down, the Disco stops dead. The guy's rear diff was fubared because the tires weren't spinning at all. So we get a strap on him and continue to pull him down the trail. We drop him off next to the main highway and he calls AAA.

WHO would leave their stranded "friend" behind so they could continue having fun? If it was any of our group, I know that we would ALL turn around to get a broken down Jeep back into town. We wouldn't leave a friend with a bunch of strangers. Or expect the strangers to be so helpful.

That was actually my second Rover recovery. A few months before, I had to winch a Range Rover backwards to get him to a clear spot because he was also blocking traffic in both directions. He had an electrical issue, imagine that. Again, the attitude of these guys was not the best.

But to be fair to Rovers, we've also gotten the attitude from Yotas and Wranglers. The attitude of "I'm better than you" is very childish. We are all supposed to be grown adults out having fun. Who cares what someone else is driving?

You know man youa re so right, it does boil down to attitude,a nd that is really why i even started this thread. My friend claims how great they are and Jeep are ****,a nd son on, and really like I told Him I got pics all over my facebook site of our fun wheelin adventures, and stuff,a nd he has his rover in a parade? WTF... LOL I have invited him to wheel with us when he gets back from iraq to "SHOW" us how great rvers are, and how bad our Jeeps suck..LOL That is whacked though to ask ppl for help and let your buddy stranded with strangers, just totally messed up.. I could never imagine..

Long story short, we went wheelin 2 sundays ago, and at the very end of the day, my buddy rolled his Jeep, we spent hours trying tohelp whim out, and I tore up 2 brand new tow straps, but waht the hell it is for a friend, and if it was me I would want help as well. I took him to my mom's house where we spent the night, russled up some dry clothes for him, and got him out the following morning. the next weekendwe went back to mom's house about 2 hours from whre we live, and bandages her up enough to drive home.. That is what friends are supposed to do. The really cool part of the night 2 kids came down the mountain with a fullsize bronco, never seen them before inmy life, and may never see them again. They were just out spotting seer,a nd happened upon us. They spent several hours cutting trees,a nd trying to pull him up with their rig, and they had new straps, they let us use to try to get him out. WAY COOL ppl...

I hate the mentality that these cars are better and this and that, it just sux. and you are right very childish in the mindset...

[joshrad]

About the whole thing with attitudes. At least where I go off-roading, every one seems to hate on the Jeep owners whether it's a stock XJ or a heavily modded TJ with 6" of lift and 37s. I don't get it either, b/c they're always the ones getting stuck or needing help and completely rejecting it when someone in a Jeep rolls up. I've never gotten a bad attitude from a Jeep owner or the occasional modded 4x4 on the trail. For some reason yotas, rovers, fords, all seem to get pissed off when a Jeep asks if they need help. But that's just from my experience and I don't get why b/c we're out on the same trail with the same intentions

[XJNUTTIER]

Originally Posted by leftlanetruckin

Same stuff, different day.
I guess I better not comment too much though, being stuck up and all.
As far as the reliability goes, I have over 190K on mine with every single thing working as it should. Can't say the same for Jeeps I have owned unfortunately.
Parts prices? 99% of service items come from Advance Auto Parts.
Other parts are just as reasonable as Jeep parts.
As with anything else, ignorance will cost you dearly. Anyone taken their Jeep to a dealership lately? Thought not....
A little reading and home work will fix 99% of Land Rover issues at very little cost.
And I hate to be the one to break it to you, stock vs stock, the Land Rover will win every time assuming drivers with same skill level and comparable models.
Grand Cherokee vs Range Rover.
JK vs Defender.
And so on....
Mind if the OP had bothered searching for "land rover vs jeep" he would have seen this same lame discussion comes up often enough.
Sorry for being so "stuck up" I guess I will have to watch who I offer jeep advice to in the future huh?

Martin

Take it as you will, but the reality what jk, Rubicon is as comparable to the defender, the grand cherokee with quadra drive was compared to every sport utility in 99 when the introduces the WJ and it noted as "the most capable sport utility ever" did you miss that with your research.. they all have attributes, but the majority of Rover owners think they are great and better than us lowly Jeep owners, and I work for a dealership that is very reputible, Ihave worked for a Jeep dealer now for 13 years, and my reputation is not tarnished. I have alot of loyal customers who appreciate my honesty and integrity, and having my knowledge to wrk for them when it comes time for their new Jeep, or their service needs. Please you cant say the parts prices for a Rover are comparbale to a Jeep. The ignition switch for a 98 disco was over 600 dollars and was dealer only item. Why would you lock the shifter if the brake light blows? I am not trying to turn this into apissing match, but the reality is that we can purchase 2 JK Rubicons fully loaded, and add a winch, bumpers and so on, and have 2 amazing offroad vehciles, that SUPPORTS you economy. Keep sending your money overseas and see where your kids will work at in the future. Look at the state of the economy, and it is directly related to the loss of maufacturing in this country. The Jeeps are still built in the midwest, giving Americans a lot of great jobs.. not to mention all the vendors who supply all the parts, the truck and train drivers who deliver them, and so on and so forth.. I remeber back in the late 80's, NO ONE WOULD BUY A PRODUCT IF IT DID NOT SAY MADE IN USA. Today good luck trying to find anything made here by OUR friends and neighbors. Like I ALWAYS tell everyone, "When you company outsources your job to a foreign country, EAT your import" Roll your eyes to the facts...

[XJNUTTIER]

Originally Posted by Joshrad1

About the whole thing with attitudes. At least where I go off-roading, every one seems to hate on the Jeep owners whether it's a stock XJ or a heavily modded TJ with 6" of lift and 37s. I don't get it either, b/c they're always the ones getting stuck or needing help and completely rejecting it when someone in a Jeep rolls up. I've never gotten a bad attitude from a Jeep owner or the occasional modded 4x4 on the trail. For some reason yotas, rovers, fords, all seem to get pissed off when a Jeep asks if they need help. But that's just from my experience and I don't get why b/c we're out on the same trail with the same intentions

Go figure, they must be better than us rednecks out there gettin muddy...LOL they cant be redencks they are driving a "superior vehicle" LOL and paid for that really cool badge on their vehicle...

[leftlanetruckin]

What uneducated and lame comments.
Guess I do not own a Jeep as well then huh?
As I said, same lame thread, different day.
Cost of ownership is less for my Range Rover than for the Jeep, sorry but its true. The cost of OEM parts is also useless, unless all the Jeep owners go to the dealership for parts?
And if you would care to compare stock rig to stock rig for the comparable models, you will have an eye opener. I don't understand how economy and you attitude got into it. So you work at a Jeep dealership? Your point?
Was this about off roading, or customer service and the economy?
There are as many arrogant Jeep owners as there are any other make. People can be idiots, no matter the brand. When you get into the harder trails, you will see it disappears significantly, regardless of brand loyalties etc. On the easier stuff though, it is true that there is a lot of arrogance, from all sides unfortunately.
I own both, and enjoy both immensely so your ranting is lost on me (seeing as you seemed to be pointing the finger). And as for an American made vehicle......too funny bud. You need to be in my job for the past 10 years to see how much stuff is imported. Assembled in America would be a lot more accurate. It has been proven time and time again that some imports are more "made in America" than the domestic brands are.
Are Land Rover products made in the UK? Yes they indeed are. Last time I looked though, it was better than China or Korea etc...
Go look at facts and then come give your views. They just make you look uneducated when you spout opinions. You know what they say about opinions right?
Take a pill and calm down. Just because you treat your customers right doesn't mean a thing. Care to look at how many unhappy customers there are with ANY make? Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jeep dealerships will be up there with the rest in complaints.

martin

[carnuck]

Originally Posted by leftlanetruckin

Same stuff, different day.
I guess I better not comment too much though, being stuck up and all.
As far as the reliability goes, I have over 190K on mine with every single thing working as it should. Can't say the same for Jeeps I have owned unfortunately.
Parts prices? 99% of service items come from Advance Auto Parts.
Other parts are just as reasonable as Jeep parts.
As with anything else, ignorance will cost you dearly. Anyone taken their Jeep to a dealership lately? Thought not....
A little reading and home work will fix 99% of Land Rover issues at very little cost.
And I hate to be the one to break it to you, stock vs stock, the Land Rover will win every time assuming drivers with same skill level and comparable models.
Grand Cherokee vs Range Rover.
JK vs Defender.
And so on....
Mind if the OP had bothered searching for "land rover vs jeep" he would have seen this same lame discussion comes up often enough.
Sorry for being so "stuck up" I guess I will have to watch who I offer jeep advice to in the future huh?

Martin

I work in an autoparts store and you wouldn't BELIEVE how angry Land Rover owners get when you can't just walk into the back room and grab a part for them. This is in Downtown Seattle, not BFE!
The LR dealer used to call us a LOT for parts that were either on back order or obsoleted. Sometimes I have been very lucky and been able to visually recognize a part as something from another vehicle (I used to drive my boss nuts by looking at a part the computer said we didn't have and being able to walk to the back room and get something similar enough that it worked. 9 out of 10 times it was the same as an AMC/Jeep part that was outsourced from the Big 3)

Originally Posted by leftlanetruckin

What uneducated and lame comments.
Guess I do not own a Jeep as well then huh?
As I said, same lame thread, different day.
Cost of ownership is less for my Range Rover than for the Jeep, sorry but its true. The cost of OEM parts is also useless, unless all the Jeep owners go to the dealership for parts?
And if you would care to compare stock rig to stock rig for the comparable models, you will have an eye opener. I don't understand how economy and you attitude got into it. So you work at a Jeep dealership? Your point?
Was this about off roading, or customer service and the economy?
There are as many arrogant Jeep owners as there are any other make. People can be idiots, no matter the brand. When you get into the harder trails, you will see it disappears significantly, regardless of brand loyalties etc. On the easier stuff though, it is true that there is a lot of arrogance, from all sides unfortunately.
I own both, and enjoy both immensely so your ranting is lost on me (seeing as you seemed to be pointing the finger). And as for an American made vehicle......too funny bud. You need to be in my job for the past 10 years to see how much stuff is imported. Assembled in America would be a lot more accurate. It has been proven time and time again that some imports are more "made in America" than the domestic brands are.
Are Land Rover products made in the UK? Yes they indeed are. Last time I looked though, it was better than China or Korea etc...
Go look at facts and then come give your views. They just make you look uneducated when you spout opinions. You know what they say about opinions right?
Take a pill and calm down. Just because you treat your customers right doesn't mean a thing. Care to look at how many unhappy customers there are with ANY make? Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jeep dealerships will be up there with the rest in complaints.

martin

I'm not saying anything bad about LRs. (I do happen to like them, but can't afford to own, let alone maintain one. I currently have 8 Jeeps and 2 IH Travelalls, all paid for and 1/2 operational) Now that Ford has their hand in them, quality has improved a lot. The BMW fiasco was terrible for the owners of those rigs made during that short time.

[leftlanetruckin]

There are a ton of aftermarket parts for LR's and RR's now.
I have not been to a dealer one time in the past 3 years. I can fully rebuild the motor from a company in Mi (old buick 215 after all).
Suspension components from Ne or Fl.
Brakes from Advance, as with most of my service items.
As I said, cost of ownership on my junk is very good for what I am driving. Taking care of it myself is what saves me the most I guess, but the same can be said of the Jeep too...When you look at the basics, it is easy to see why they indeed are very good offroad though. Long arms as stock, Tie rod behind the axle, big disk brakes all round, and so on.
Comparing a RR to a Jeep is a little unfair though. maybe a comparison to a Lexus, MB, etc would be more accurate IMHO. Hell they cost 2-3 times as much...
Until someone pipes in that has either owned one, or spent a lot of time in one, this is all but useless though.

[XJNUTTIER]

Originally Posted by leftlanetruckin

What uneducated and lame comments.
Guess I do not own a Jeep as well then huh?
As I said, same lame thread, different day.
Cost of ownership is less for my Range Rover than for the Jeep, sorry but its true. The cost of OEM parts is also useless, unless all the Jeep owners go to the dealership for parts?
And if you would care to compare stock rig to stock rig for the comparable models, you will have an eye opener. I don't understand how economy and you attitude got into it. So you work at a Jeep dealership? Your point?
Was this about off roading, or customer service and the economy?
There are as many arrogant Jeep owners as there are any other make. People can be idiots, no matter the brand. When you get into the harder trails, you will see it disappears significantly, regardless of brand loyalties etc. On the easier stuff though, it is true that there is a lot of arrogance, from all sides unfortunately.
I own both, and enjoy both immensely so your ranting is lost on me (seeing as you seemed to be pointing the finger). And as for an American made vehicle......too funny bud. You need to be in my job for the past 10 years to see how much stuff is imported. Assembled in America would be a lot more accurate. It has been proven time and time again that some imports are more "made in America" than the domestic brands are.
Are Land Rover products made in the UK? Yes they indeed are. Last time I looked though, it was better than China or Korea etc...
Go look at facts and then come give your views. They just make you look uneducated when you spout opinions. You know what they say about opinions right?
Take a pill and calm down. Just because you treat your customers right doesn't mean a thing. Care to look at how many unhappy customers there are with ANY make? Sorry to burst your bubble, but Jeep dealerships will be up there with the rest in complaints.

martin

I guess you forgot to point out how the Rubi,, VS defender... Not as capable, LOL I think not.. and grand cherokee with quadra drive VS range rover, they got beat they are facts, Take alil searchy on the net and see the gammet of tests they ran, and how many vehicles they compared... LOL I said the parts are purchased from vendors, and good majority of the parts for a Jeep are made in US and Canada. AS A MATTER OF FACT: window sticker 2010 Jeep Wrangler 79% parts come from USA and Canada..

Oh and I am uneducated and lame am I , I can tell you are a Rover owner just from those comments.. You can't take criticism, can you? I work for the Company we are referring to, so I have an inner knowledge of what is happening in the auto industry, and how thigs work.. and LOL so they make the parts for a Rover in England, How about that Lucas wiring? GOOD STUFF HUH!!!! should I keep going.. Why don't they import D-90's into the states anymore? Jeep beat them, that is why..

Oh and I know you IMPORT driver love the comment about when you lose your job to eat your import... That is a fact, imports are destroying this country. Purchasing and "American Assembled", and "79% parts content", that wont help anything right...

LOL this is the arrogance we were talking about!!!!!

Oh yeah what import comapnies are MORE "made in america" than others? that was interesting statement.. I see no fact just your opinions..

Hey check out this great deal on a master cylinder at advanced...

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_Brake-Master-Cylinder-Beck-Arnley_20571147-P_230_R|GRPBRHYAMS_616137505___
and then the Jeep

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_Brake-Master-Cylinder-Cardone-Select_20350166-P_230_K|GRPBRHYAMS_755193636___

Oh yeah very comparable....

[pyrothugg]

lets face it. if you want to do anything to a rover it cost an arm and a leg. then if it brakes it cost twice that (or more) to fix it. with a jeep you can go to any local shop or any junk yard and get advice or parts. you can mod a jeep way more and for far much less then then what it cost to do anything to a rover. the only good rovers are the old ones anyway the old 90's and 110's were tits but come on who can afford them and maintain them when for the cost to do that you could build an amazing jeep. overall. screw rovers get a real vehicle. get a JEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[XJNUTTIER]

Clash of the Icons | 4x4 Philippines

Hey here is a side to side comparison, RR is capable, BUT NOT capable enough!!!!!

[leftlanetruckin]

Miss your blood pressure medicine today?
Seems you are dead set on your views, and can find everything on the internet to back it up. Of course we all know if its on the internet it must be true right?
The Defender isn't here due to Jeep? Oh sheesh. Look at the stupid Federal laws bud, along with the other bs auto makers have to go through to get approval. Going to tell me that we don't get diesel Jeeps here due to a logical reason too? Nope.
A Stock P38 vs a stock ZJ, go look it up if you calm down a little.
RTI, Traction, and so on. P38 got it.
And I am sorry, but I know of no one that has had to buy a MC for a Ranger Rover Bought them for Jeeps though over the years....hmmmm.
As I attempted to say earlier, I own both and enjoy both a lot. Do I put Jeeps, Fords, or anything else down? Nope I do not. As you go through life, you learn that there are butt holes everywhere, and they drive every type of vehicle. I have worked in 19 different countries in more than a few continents so I have an idea on the world as a whole, and that is the one constant everywhere. That and there are ugly women all over too....
Sorry to say this bud, but maybe you are a "little" biased due to your employer and what they tell you. Being in a dealership environment is not the best way to learn the facts of other brands. No matter what, your brand is the best because you need it to be to make a living.

And yes I must be a RR owner due to my attitude too.... Although you may want to see if I try to help folks out or not, to the point of offering up myself and my shop to do repairs. Arrogant SOB I am....
World economics from someone who has probably not seen the world is an exercise in futility IMHO. As I said, working for a manufacturer is not the best way to get an open minded view of the world and other products in it.
Have a wonderful day

Martin
Ps, Is it just me, or do you have "issues" with not only LR owners?
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f177/xj-owners-friendly-jk-owners-not-677666/

[XJAl]

Why cant we all just get along??? Does it really matter which vehicle is better? Aren't we all just trying to enjoy the outdoors and wheel in awesome places? Who cares if you are driving a Jeep, a Yota, or a Rover. They are all capable off road vehicles. They all have pros and cons. Just because I own a Jeep does not mean I think my vehicle is Gods gift to the 4x4 world. My Cherokee has its goods and its bads just like the Rover. It is true that a Rover costs way more to maintain, my family has owned one, but if you have the money to pay for the repairs why not own one? The older ones were very capable and good looking off road vehciles. I think this debate over which vehicle is better is useless. There's no factual proof that proves that a Jeep is better than a Rover or vise versa. Its all just a matter of opinion. Instead of wasting time debating over which vehicle is better, why not just be happy with the vehicle you have. Why not just recoginze the fact that differnt people enjoy wheeling in differnt vehicles and that's just the way it is. I think its quite immature and lame to be talking **** about someones rig just because its not a Jeep.