Keep XJ or get camaro?? - Page 2 - JeepForum.com
Search  
Sign Up   Today's Posts
User: Pass: Remember?
Advertise Here
Jeep Home Jeep Forum Jeep Classifieds Jeep Registry JeepSpace Jeep Reviews Jeep Gallery Jeep Clubs Jeep Groups Jeep Videos Jeep Events Jeep Articles
Go Back JeepForum.com > Models > Jeep Cherokee & Comanche Forums > XJ Cherokee Non-Technical Forum > Keep XJ or get camaro??

15 x 8 Black D-Window Steel Wheels Set of 4Truc-Lite LED Headlights! OCONEE OFF-ROAD 706-534-9955USA Standard Chromoly Front Axle Shaft Kits with Dana 30 4

Reply
Unread 05-18-2013, 01:08 PM   #16
DNFJ
Web Wheeler
 
DNFJ's Avatar
2000 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 3,732
Part of me thinks you just want a Camaro to pick up 16 year old HS chicks, which ok then go do that but don't expect us to try and talk you out of it.

__________________
Wannabe Desert Rat
'00 XJ 6.5" w/ 33s
Built Not Bought #704
DNFJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 01:18 PM   #17
witchdoctor7710
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Patchogue, NY
Posts: 69
@mschi, that's great advice and i hear your point, i did try to do some things but at that point my jeep was my DD and now that I have the other one i could use...your comment does make me think about being able to do that stuff now without being out of a car....

@ DNFJ, because even though i can afford it, i dont want to pay almost 200$ for gad when i go to and from college at the beginning and end of the semesters, and to my GFs house 3 hours away when school is not in session...and also, not lifting it if i keep is is going to be difficult to do lol, I may be thinking of selling it, but I still have a small jeep bug

Just a quick question for everyone, after a 3" lift and 31's with my 11-14/20 mpg, would i get a big decrease? like 11/18? cause over 400 miles, 2 mpg can make a difference over time, especially when its a trip id make almost 4-8 times a year with driving to and from college

I don't mean to be fighting all this help, its just a way I can figure out ALL the pros and cons before I make a decision so i don't think "i shouldent have done that", I really appreciate all the help you folks are giving me!
__________________
"I have been to the dark side.....their cookies are horrible"
witchdoctor7710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 01:19 PM   #18
witchdoctor7710
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Patchogue, NY
Posts: 69
@DNFJ, No. I have a girlriend haha
__________________
"I have been to the dark side.....their cookies are horrible"
witchdoctor7710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 01:41 PM   #19
witchdoctor7710
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Patchogue, NY
Posts: 69
And to add to this, it was said that you guys don't really know me, so to just give you a really quick background (just to give you an idea if the kind of person I am, and how i think and such), I'm 18, no accidents or tickets, I'm an Eagle Scout, I go to SUNY Geneseo, and just down to earth and easy going.

Hopefully this gives you a better idea of how i am, and shows that I am not a speed crazy, adrenaline junkie haha......oh and also, remember, i think we all have a Z28 mindset, i would still get the rs v6 version of the camaro, which is even better on gas, than the z, but just dosent hold its value as much lol, and not a nicer interior and such lol
__________________
"I have been to the dark side.....their cookies are horrible"
witchdoctor7710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 03:11 PM   #20
mschi772
Web Wheeler
 
mschi772's Avatar
1997 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 1,894
"What should my MPG be?" and "How can I raise my MPG?" type questions are very difficult to answer.

The basics go like this:

Keep all of your fluids in good condition.
Keep your filters and spark system maintained.
The crack that many 4.0 headers develop is bad for MPG.
Old/failing O2 sensors hurt MPG.
Extra weight and external accessories are bad for MPG.
Aggressive and/or wide tires are generally bad for MPG. (I see you have Rugged Terrains. Awesome choice!)
The 4.0 runs most efficiently at about 2100-2400 RPM, and aerodynamic drag increases exponentially with speed, so speeding on the highway will waste gas.
Weight in wheels/tires is rotational in nature, and every pound there is worth about 2 lbs of static weight (not the 10:1 that so many people think it is). http://hpwizard.com/rotational-inertia.html

People say that lifts hurt MPG, but it's not the lift per se; a lifted XJ gives its undercarriage more exposure to the air as it drives which creates more turbulence/drag. It's your steering, suspension, axles, and tires that create aerodynamic drag because of a lift. I mention this because I know a guy who created a light-weight underbody "skid" out of ductwork sheet metal in order to cover a lot of that jungle of metal to improve underbody aerodynamics. He's FastPlastic over at EcoModder.com.

Also keep in mind that your speedometer and odometer are calibrated to a ~28" tire. With larger tires, you'll be going farther/faster than those instruments say, so unless you correct it (see here: http://jeep-xj.info/HowtoSpeedoGears.htm) or compensate for the difference when doing the math, your rough at-the-pump MPG calculations will be wrong.


P.S. If you decide you really want to go the Camaro route...for what it's worth because I'm not the biggest fan of 4th gen Camaro/Firebirds anyway, if you're really into the 4.5 gen (98-02), I personally would go for a Firebird over a Camaro. They're the same car, but I think the Firebirds look better during those years.
mschi772 is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 03:31 PM   #21
witchdoctor7710
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Patchogue, NY
Posts: 69
Yeah, i have read many threads on the mpg topic, although i feel like this situation is different, its not how can I improve, its home can I not get worse. and also, you hit the one spot that has seriously deterred me from lifting my truck, I would want to modify the gears so that my speedo, tach, and odo is correct, and so the mpg doesn't suffer , and to me it had just been confusing, and also seemingly expensive. Am I wrong? I'm just clueless when it comes to gears.

I also agree with you on the firebird, but from what I have found over the years is that either its worthless junk, or way overpriced, especially the ws6 t/a's the v6's are nice too, but i have yet to find one in really nice condition that isn't over 8k
__________________
"I have been to the dark side.....their cookies are horrible"
witchdoctor7710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 04:51 PM   #22
mschi772
Web Wheeler
 
mschi772's Avatar
1997 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 1,894
Well, correcting the speedo/odo is a matter of changing a single little gear in the transfer case. Costs like $40 I think, and requires a single wrench. VERY easy. I guarantee it would be a breeze for you. I do recommend that you have a replacement speedo gear housing O-ring on hand and/or some RTV to use when putting it back in to be sure that it won't leak fluid. That HowtoSpeedoGears link I gave you explains it all.

If you've been thinking about axle gears, you should be OK with your stock 3.55 ratio and 31's. That's just about the limit (tire size) I'd ever go on 3.55, and it will be a bit sluggish, but changing axle gears is a decent bit of work and money. Your MPG should be alright with 30 or 31 and 3.55 gears. You'll still be cruising at 65 mph at 2100ish RPM.

If any of that is too much of a turn-off for you, how about compromise with like a 2" lift and 30s? An added benefit to a 2" lift is that your current 235s shouldn't look too goofy under it if you got the lift before being ready for new tires. An added benefit to 30s is that they can fit under a stock suspension if you got them before the lift. If you're really into wheeling, 2" and 30s might be too small for you, but it's something to consider if it would be able to work for ya. I've seen some XJ with 3" and 30s as well as some with 2" and 31s, and they didn't look odd to me either. You've got options.

Heh, look at me talkin' all lifts and bigger tires. I'm the oddball no lift with 225s guy around here. I'm sure there are some guys around here who make fun of me behind my back
mschi772 is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 04:51 PM   #23
BigBadWuf
Registered User
1992 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Greenville, Virginia
Posts: 183
Quote:
Originally Posted by witchdoctor7710 View Post
Yeah, i have read many threads on the mpg topic, although i feel like this situation is different, its not how can I improve, its home can I not get worse. and also, you hit the one spot that has seriously deterred me from lifting my truck, I would want to modify the gears so that my speedo, tach, and odo is correct, and so the mpg doesn't suffer , and to me it had just been confusing, and also seemingly expensive. Am I wrong? I'm just clueless when it comes to gears.

I also agree with you on the firebird, but from what I have found over the years is that either its worthless junk, or way overpriced, especially the ws6 t/a's the v6's are nice too, but i have yet to find one in really nice condition that isn't over 8k
If you lift, you really should get lower gears put in it, Which is pricey, or you can live with mpg decrease. Either one costs money, but at least you know the xj and that there isnt anything major wrong with it. Worse case scenario is you sell the xj, and buy a camaro and find it needs major work of some kind.
Since it dosent sound like you offroad much, i would keep the cherokee, dont lift it and get some really good offroad tires, and a locker if you do want to go offroad. You can still have a heck of a lot of fun offroad like that, just go with some other jeeps, and dont get to crazy offroad.
BigBadWuf is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 05:00 PM   #24
BigBadWuf
Registered User
1992 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Greenville, Virginia
Posts: 183
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom95YJ View Post
I've owned a couple Camaro's (83 Z28 & 94 Z28) I can tell you they handle like **** compared to the 02 Mustang GT I owned. The gas milage sucks you'll always be on the gas . The interriors are built like crap IMO the 3rd Gen interior build quality was better then the 4th gen
Yup 4th gen camaros are poorly designed, my uncle had one brand new when i was ten, the back seat is worthless even when i was ten the interior seemed cramped, and the seats felt like sitting on a board.
Plus id bet money that my buddys v6 mustang would tear my uncles ss a new one in the turns lol! And i'm not biased i like chevys, it just 4th gen camaros are terribly designed. Just like most 90s chevys great drivelines, put in terrible cars.
BigBadWuf is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 05:26 PM   #25
VegasGT
Bolt Snapper
 
VegasGT's Avatar
1999 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Leitchfield, KY
Posts: 4,095
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom95YJ View Post
I've owned a couple Camaro's (83 Z28 & 94 Z28) I can tell you they handle like **** compared to the 02 Mustang GT I owned. The gas milage sucks you'll always be on the gas . The interriors are built like crap IMO the 3rd Gen interior build quality was better then the 4th gen
As a former Mustang owner who's also had a couple F-Body cars thrown in the mix, Tom took the words right out of my mouth with this post^.
__________________
- '99 XJ Sport -
Lifted, Locked, Stiffened
4.5"/35's
July 2013 COTM
Build Thread
VegasGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 06:01 PM   #26
LowBudget87YJ
Registered User
1987 YJ Wrangler 
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Lucia, NC
Posts: 37
well if your large enough that you cant fit in a 90 ish civic/accord you definitely are not going to be comfortable in a camaro. I'm 5ft11 and find mustangs and camaro to be lacking in leg an head room. so if your taller than that you might wont to think other wise.
LowBudget87YJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-18-2013, 10:57 PM   #27
witchdoctor7710
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Patchogue, NY
Posts: 69
Thanks for all the info guys..Im still not sure on my decision, but, this DEFFINATLEY helped. I have alot more to think about now...i just drove the jeep for the first time in 4 months since I just got home form college and forgot how much fun it is to drive, even if it still stock...I'll have to give it a few days and see what I decide to do.I'll post a reply within a week or two to let you guys know if I decide to keep it or not, feel free to keep posting comments and such since im still thinking.

Also, question on tire brands, for 30's or 31's, for a great look, but not a mpg decreacer, what tires would you reccomend? the two I'm looking at are BFG's All terrains, and General grabbers. what do you guys think? and I like that slightly wide stance to, like a little bit past the fender flare line, so i'd have to get 1.5" spacers im guessing? since im not getting new rims
__________________
"I have been to the dark side.....their cookies are horrible"
witchdoctor7710 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-19-2013, 07:09 AM   #28
robtco99
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 198
I've had several 3rd and 4th gen f bodies and they're alright, but only an ls1 car is really worth getting. I agree with the design being horrible on them, which is why a lot of people are putting ls motors in classic cars.

I would keep the jeep considering your location, and it's hard to beat a cherokee for a cheap reliable 4x4. I'd also recommend the general grabbers they are just as good as the bfg's and cheaper. I have had many sets of bfg's and got some of the generals a couple years ago.

I would worry about finishing school then worry about toys
__________________
2001 amber fire cherokee sport 4x4, 2 in lift, 30x9.50 generals, 174 ion wheels, pretty much stock.
robtco99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-19-2013, 08:17 AM   #29
mschi772
Web Wheeler
 
mschi772's Avatar
1997 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Racine, WI
Posts: 1,894
Quote:
Originally Posted by mschi772 View Post
BFG Rugged Terrain (mild)
Bridgestone Dueler AT REVO 2
Cooper Discoverer AT3
Firestone Destination AT
General Grabber AT2
Goodyear Duratrac (aggressive)
Goodyear Silent Armor
Hankook Dynapro ATM
Kumho Roadventure SAT (mild)
Toyo Open Country AT 2

That's my short list of all-terrain tires in alphabetical order. You really can't lose with any of them. BFG RT and Kumho SAT are both milder for better or for worse (depending on how much/little and how extreme/mild you wheel).

As someone who uses his Jeep as a daily driver but goes off road occasionally, I chose a milder AT tire (some consider it a highway/AT hybrid)--Kumho RV SAT. BFG Rugged Terrain is similar. If I went off road any less than I do now, I'd roll with Firestone Destination LE2 or Continental CrossContact (LX20 or LX Sport)--virtually no contest in the highway tire department really imo.

There are a lot of rebates floating around right now, and DiscountTireDirect.com is offering their own rebate in addition to many manufacturer rebates. DiscountTireDirect.com and Tirerack.com are fantastic places to buy tires, and they'll ship them straight to an installer for you. It's been many years and a couple cars since I've had a local tire shop beat either of these places' prices.

Don't let Jeeper peer pressure force you to buy a tire that your type of driving doesn't need. Lots of people buy inappropriate tires just because of how they look or because of peer pressure from their chosen automotive niche. My tires aren't "cool" by Jeeper standards, but my XJ is functionally far better off (for my lifestyle and type of driving) than a cookie-cutter Jeep with BFG ATs, Duratracs, or KM2s.
If you use spacers, make sure they're a hubcentric spacer--much more trustworthy. Don't get so carried away with mods and other toys that you neglect good maintenance. I know maintenance is boring compared to toys, but if you the vehicle in tip-top shape, it'll be around forever--more than enough time to get all the toys you want eventually.
mschi772 is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 05-19-2013, 09:54 PM   #30
witchdoctor7710
Registered User
2001 XJ Cherokee 
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Patchogue, NY
Posts: 69
After all this. I have decided to keep the jeep!

After a few days of long thought, it really is the best idea to keep the XJ rather than sell it, especially since the winters at my college are real snowy....and I got the jeep bug again after being away from it for so long haha.

So within the next few weeks i'm going to be ordering my lift and tires!! also have a lightbar and lights that I forgot I had that I can install...this is going to be a fun summer lol.....oh quick question, exhausts, what do you reccomend? im looking at the flowmaster 40, 44, and super 10, what do you guys think??
__________________
"I have been to the dark side.....their cookies are horrible"
witchdoctor7710 is offline   Reply With Quote




Jeep, Wrangler, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, and other models are copyrighted and trademarked to Jeep/Chrysler Corporation. JeepForum.com is not in any way associated with Jeep or the Chrysler Corp.