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Unread 04-11-2009, 10:06 PM   #16
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ya most of the 01s ive seen have the 8.25 (mine does)

as to the ABS it doesnt bother me, the stock breaks are not exactly strong enough to easily lock up any way on most road conditions. i drove a 96 exploder before so my "ABS" was not great and my reactions were about as good so what ever

if you email chrysler they can give you a build sheet to tell you exactly what you have for all the options

the little diagram looks to be exaggerated on the shapes my 8.25 doesnt look that flat and my friends dana 44 was not that triangular

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Unread 04-12-2009, 08:25 PM   #17
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ABS really only comes in handy with grandmothers who don't know how to drive in the snow.
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Unread 06-03-2009, 01:22 PM   #18
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matt, you can e-mail chrysler and they will send that to you? even now? what all do you need? just your vin? that would be a nice thing to find out...
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Unread 06-03-2009, 01:32 PM   #19
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ABS really only comes in handy with grandmothers who don't know how to drive in the snow.
ABS wasn't designed for the snow. In fact, ABS is more of a liability in the snow than standard brakes. ABS was designed so that in a panic situation when a person stomps on the brakes like their life depends on it and the wheels get to the point of locking, they don't so that the person still has some control of the vehicle. If you lock the tires and are in a slide, it won't matter what you do with the wheel, it's not going to do anything. With ABS, when the ABS kicks in during that panic stop, the wheels are still more or less turning giving you at least some control of the car. Now, if you're a level headed person who doesn't panic and keeps control of their car and knows how to operate their brakes, ABS is unnecessary.

In the snow it's a liability because the snow can cause the wheel sensor to believe the wheel is locked, when it really isn't even close, which prematurely kicks in the ABS and reduces your already reduced stopping power. With standard brakes, if the wheels locks up, it digs down deeper into the snow, and also builds up snow in front of it as it starts sliding, both of which slow you down faster. Plus while digging into the snow you're more likely to hit hard pavement which will also benefit your stopping ability.
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Unread 06-03-2009, 01:40 PM   #20
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matt, you can e-mail chrysler and they will send that to you? even now? what all do you need? just your vin? that would be a nice thing to find out...
there should be a thing through the jeep site, look at the contact us pages, i think it asks you for your vin during the contact form. they got back to me in a few days IIRC, full build sheet

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ABS wasn't designed for the snow. In fact, ABS is more of a liability in the snow than standard brakes. ABS was designed so that in a panic situation when a person stomps on the brakes like their life depends on it and the wheels get to the point of locking, they don't so that the person still has some control of the vehicle. If you lock the tires and are in a slide, it won't matter what you do with the wheel, it's not going to do anything. With ABS, when the ABS kicks in during that panic stop, the wheels are still more or less turning giving you at least some control of the car. Now, if you're a level headed person who doesn't panic and keeps control of their car and knows how to operate their brakes, ABS is unnecessary.

In the snow it's a liability because the snow can cause the wheel sensor to believe the wheel is locked, when it really isn't even close, which prematurely kicks in the ABS and reduces your already reduced stopping power. With standard brakes, if the wheels locks up, it digs down deeper into the snow, and also builds up snow in front of it as it starts sliding, both of which slow you down faster. Plus while digging into the snow you're more likely to hit hard pavement which will also benefit your stopping ability.
i honestly do not understand how people cannot feel what their vehicle is doing, its easy to feel a skid be it during breaking or if you take a turn to fast and the back end drifts (which i also dont understand how people cannot correct properly with that, after driving an exploder with a super light back end that likes to spin tires in the slightest bit of moisture or just from giving to much gas in a tight turn)

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Unread 06-03-2009, 02:12 PM   #21
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the little diagram looks to be exaggerated on the shapes my 8.25 doesnt look that flat and my friends dana 44 was not that triangular
Yeah, those drawings get posted up a lot. And I cringe every time I see them.

Send your VIN to customerassist@chrysler.com and request a build sheet.
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Unread 06-03-2009, 02:19 PM   #22
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Also, if you take a look under someones hood that has ABS, youll realize that your jeep is missing a lot of something.. ABS takes up a lot of space behind the airbox under the hood. Be glad that you have the 8.25 and no abs! The ABS just takes up so much room and im a fan of the chrysler axle
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Unread 06-03-2009, 06:32 PM   #23
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Unread 06-04-2009, 01:08 AM   #24
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what is that last pic trying to show?
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what is that last pic trying to show?
that last pic is pointing out the "tell-tail" signs that it's a chrysler 8.25 rear axle. no other stock cherokee axle came with a flat cast lip on the bottom of the pumpkin/hog nor those casting teeth (i have no clue what they are called) on top of the pinion.
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Unread 06-04-2009, 07:15 AM   #26
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that last pic is pointing out the "tell-tail" signs that it's a chrysler 8.25 rear axle. no other stock cherokee axle came with a flat cast lip on the bottom of the pumpkin/hog nor those casting teeth (i have no clue what they are called) on top of the pinion.
those casting marks are either mould marks, vents (let the air out when casting) or sprue channels (let the metal in)... if they are just casting related. i havent specifically looked at them on my axel to say what they look like but i would bet there is so more structure to them than just being from manufacture

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those casting marks are either mold marks, vents (let the air out when casting) or sprue channels (let the metal in)...

The Chry 8.25 is used on a many different rear wheel drive Chrysler vehicles. The cast risers near the pinion yoke are drilled and tapped with threads to bolt on additional parts. Specifically the KJ Liberty has a three link style independent rear suspension and the third link is bolted to the top of the differential housing. Yesterday I was pulling some 8.25 disk brakes from a Liberty and again noticed all the extra crap bolted to the center section.
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Guess again.

The Chry 8.25 is used on a many different rear wheel drive Chrysler vehicles. The cast risers near the pinion yoke are drilled and tapped with threads to bolt on additional parts. Specifically the KJ Liberty has a three link style independent rear suspension and the third link is bolted to the top of the differential housing. Yesterday I was pulling some 8.25 disk brakes from a Liberty and again noticed all the extra crap bolted to the center section.
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i havent specifically looked at them on my axel to say what they look like but i would bet there is so more structure to them than just being from manufacture

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Unread 06-04-2009, 05:55 PM   #29
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it snowed here the other day and i hit the brakes and locked them up. I kinda confused me i thought it had abs, but now that i know that i have the 8.25 i know that i dont. ^^^^^and the light doesnt light up. so therefore i dont have abs. that would have been nice to have. o well
Its not that hard to lock up abs in the snow. Been there done that
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In the snow it's a liability because the snow can cause the wheel sensor to believe the wheel is locked, when it really isn't even close, which prematurely kicks in the ABS and reduces your already reduced stopping power. With standard brakes, if the wheels locks up, it digs down deeper into the snow, and also builds up snow in front of it as it starts sliding, both of which slow you down faster. Plus while digging into the snow you're more likely to hit hard pavement which will also benefit your stopping ability.
I dont know about you, but I almost never lock up the brakes in snow, but ice is a whole different issue, where "snowplowing" the snow in front of your tire doesnt do anything at all. Although, unless you are in a foot or more of snow, that effect wouldnt help at all. It takes a lot more then some built up frozen rain to stop a 2 ton Jeep.



I was torn when I bought my 99 if I wanted abs or not since I go to school in Colorado. I ended up going without it, and Ive driven through two winters with no real problems. You just have to pay attention to what you are doing, and not slam on the brakes at the last second.



Ive also heard that the late model abs is a lot better then the early ones, but I have not driven any Jeep with ABS to actually back that up.
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