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Unread 11-04-2014, 07:52 AM   #1
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Heim Joint Steering

I'm sort of in a bind with my steering ATM. I've got my eye on a 3/4" heim steering kit from RuffStuff.com
My question is steering geometry. I see a bunch of guys having to relocate their trackbar mount to keep with the same degree as the drag link. I'd like to know if I could just snag the kit and just do my drag link and tie rod and be okay with my upgraded adjustable track bar?

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You'd be fine. You'll notice some bump steer but your jeep will not be unsafe to drive. The tie rod will interfere with the trackbar bracket a tiny bit though
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I'm sort of in a bind with my steering ATM. I've got my eye on a 3/4" heim steering kit from RuffStuff.com
My question is steering geometry. I see a bunch of guys having to relocate their trackbar mount to keep with the same degree as the drag link. I'd like to know if I could just snag the kit and just do my drag link and tie rod and be okay with my upgraded adjustable track bar?
Im in the same predicament. I was just going to run the tie rod UTK and drag link OTK, but mount it to the top of the pitman arm rather than below it. Angles will be near identical to factory.

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Unread 11-04-2014, 04:12 PM   #4
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I run it the way vegas shows.



I drive inbetween a gentle crawler to a full blown rock bouncer.
My total carnage from that total is
1 HPD30
1 ZJ steering setup
1 Xj steering setup
2 AW4s.
2 flex plates.
Motor mounts
Trans mounts.
1 set of stock uppers.
1 set of lower control arm bushings.




This setup has been the best that I have ever ran, it will do 100 down the highway (with a major tail wind)

Totally worth it man.
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Unread 11-04-2014, 04:27 PM   #5
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I run it the way vegas shows.

I drive inbetween a gentle crawler to a full blown rock bouncer.
My total carnage from that total is
1 HPD30
1 ZJ steering setup
1 Xj steering setup
2 AW4s.
2 flex plates.
Motor mounts
Trans mounts.
1 set of stock uppers.
1 set of lower control arm bushings.




This setup has been the best that I have ever ran, it will do 100 down the highway (with a major tail wind)

Totally worth it man.
Is that just a regular heim kit? All I was able to see in your pic was your drag link otk and tie rod utk and was your drag on top the pitman or under? Also what kit are you running. I'm kinda sketching out on joint quality if I get this on kit from Ruffstuff. Comes with 54" of DOM and 4 heim joints.
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/...g/34STEER.html
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Unread 11-04-2014, 04:29 PM   #6
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Ruffstuff 7/8ths kit.
I am OTK On my Draglink and it is mounted above the pitman.
Tie rod is UTK
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Unread 11-04-2014, 04:40 PM   #7
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Ruffstuff 7/8ths kit.
I am OTK On my Draglink and it is mounted above the pitman.
Tie rod is UTK
Stock knuckles still right? No high steer? N how well are your joints doing? I don't want to be replacing joints frequently.
Also did you have to bore out the knuckles to quite a bit? I don't want to bore out the knuckle to an unsafe diameter.
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Stock knuckles still right? No high steer? N how well are your joints doing? I don't want to be replacing joints frequently.
Also did you have to bore out the knuckles to quite a bit? I don't want to bore out the knuckle to an unsafe diameter.
Bronco Dana 44.....
I drilled the pitman and it went fine. No high steer. I don't have from lol!
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Unread 11-04-2014, 05:06 PM   #9
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Bronco Dana 44.....
I drilled the pitman and it went fine. No high steer. I don't have from lol!
Well that doesn't help me. Lol I still got a HPD30 lol I guess I'll be okay running the 3/4" for a good while on the d30
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Well that doesn't help me. Lol I still got a HPD30 lol I guess I'll be okay running the 3/4" for a good while on the d30
I plan to run the 3/4" kit. Not real comfortable drilling the knuckles out far enough to accept 7/8's heims.
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Unread 11-04-2014, 06:30 PM   #11
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I plan to run the 3/4" kit. Not real comfortable drilling the knuckles out far enough to accept 7/8's heims.
Yeah neither do I. Plus the 3/4" kit will hold 35s no problem and that's as big a tire as I plan to move up to on my d30
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I was telling you my experience lol. And showing how if is setup.
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Unread 11-04-2014, 07:02 PM   #13
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I was telling you my experience lol. And showing how if is setup.






HAHA JK Luke, I plan on going with the 3/4" kit soon also.. but i dont have stock knuckles. I know lots of people running the 3/4" kit and they have no problems.


just so you know heims arent legal in steering in most state FYI...
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just so you know heims arent legal in steering in most state FYI...
98% of cops wouldn't know a heim joint if it lodged itself in their arse.

Use safety washers and get used to noisier steering and you'll be fine.
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Unread 11-04-2014, 10:38 PM   #15
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98% of cops wouldn't know a heim joint if it lodged itself in their arse.
I'd agree, but they will when you go to get the inspection to renew your tags.

Then again, I might know a guy that knows a guy that doesn't care if you have cats on your exhaust if ya know what I mean...........just sayin......
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