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post #16 of 22 Old 08-03-2014, 12:25 PM Thread Starter
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I appreciate you sharing your story because I also believe that either CSF or Autocare/Amazon is to blame since the box was undamaged. CSF is put on a pedestal around here, and it really bugs me because any amount of research into them turns-up just as many stories of inexcusable failures as successes.

That said, you should have been in contact with Autocare/Amazon/CSF the moment you saw that it was damaged looking to have it replaced or refunded. You put yourself through all that frustration for nothing. Yeah, I know you had already pulled the old radiator, but still, I see no sense in installing a damaged unit just to piss yourself off more than necessary.

Want an alternative to CSF? BTR. They're far from perfect, but when the rad I had purchased from them started to leak almost 2 years later, I called them about it, and they offered to have me either send it back to them to be repaired or to simply take it somewhere local to have it repaired and to send them the invoice so that they could fully reimburse me for the repair. That might be less impressive if they had some sort of 2+ year warranty written in stone somewhere, but they don't. They were very nice and really stood by their product. That said, I'm on the fence about whether or not I'll buy one again for my new XJ--it's either them or a quality alum/plastic OEM replacement; CSF isn't even in the running.
I agree, and my mistake for not waiting and returning the radiator immediately. I didn't think a filler neck would be that much of a problem.

Installed a OEM radiator today with no issues and the Jeep runs on average 7 degrees cooler. Never hits 210.


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post #17 of 22 Old 08-03-2014, 12:33 PM
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your radiator only has 1 core. the core is the area between the tanks.the core may have 1,2,3 or more rows.it looks to me that your 3 row radiator has a damaged neck.any radiator shop can fix that with a new neck. ask the seller if they will cover the cost of having a new neck soldered on?
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post #18 of 22 Old 08-05-2014, 10:31 PM
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I had either 2 or 3 CSF's with a bent neck. I finally went to an oem plastic tank one, has worked fine for several years.

'bout all I know... minin' coal.
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post #19 of 22 Old 08-07-2014, 08:27 AM
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Just a word on these aftermarket "cost conscious" mulitple row radiators....

Here's a pic of a Champion radiator with the tank cut off from one of the Camaro guys. His car cooled fine on the street but overheated when autocrossing. Ruined one engine, Champion replaced the radiator, and it still overheated on the new engine. This was a 700hp-rated radiator on a car making less than 300 RWHP. The tubes measured out at less than 0.030" high, and he estimated that about 50% of them were deformed on the ends. For comparison, a stock GM single row tube is 0.070" and Griffin uses a 0.090" tube. With the junk our Jeep engines produce you can imagine what will happen to a setup like this if you don't go above and beyond what would typically be required for cooling system maintenance. Clog city.

I run a similar Champion on a 500hp SBC with no issue, but this shouldn't be ignored. Although spending big money on a radiator doesn't necessarily guarantee a better product, you can pretty much bet that the lower cost ones will have issues like this. Heat exchange is all about area and typically the low cost manufacturers tout their row count when in fact the way they manufacture them actually results in less area.






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News flash: no company in the history of making anything has a 0% failure rate.
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I also run champion cooling and it does just fine.

Who ever said less is more never owned a jeep.
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post #22 of 22 Old 08-10-2014, 04:22 PM Thread Starter
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your radiator only has 1 core. the core is the area between the tanks.the core may have 1,2,3 or more rows.it looks to me that your 3 row radiator has a damaged neck.any radiator shop can fix that with a new neck. ask the seller if they will cover the cost of having a new neck soldered on?
They actually refunded the entire cost of the radiator and included shipping costs. I didn't even have to send it back.

Current 2000 Green XJ w/ Flowmaster 40 exhaust, magnaflow high flow cat, bbk 62mm throttle body, Rusty's TBS, K&N Intake, Hella Euro H4 Headlights, OME Steering Stabilizer, 3.5" RE super flex kit, RE trac bar, 32" Tires on the way....

SOLD 2001 silver XJ w/4.5" RE Lift, 33", Long Arm, Locked, etc.
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