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Unread 11-24-2011, 11:23 PM   #301
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17mm hahhahahhaa. The upper control arm bolt is a 10mm. Go outside and measure it.

When something bends that shouldnt bend, like the caster adjuster, it failed. It failed to retain its shape.

Their design is just unsafe, a 10mm bolt isnt strong enough and neither is their gay caster adjuster. The topic has been beat to death.


A 31 page thread isnt huge arguing over one topic?

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Do you even understand the load that is on the upper control arms? It is only rotational torque of the axle: aka when you apply the brakes or apply the gas. The lowers are what take most of the load when you go over obstacles. That is why even on the factory setup the uppers are wimpy. There is a reason the lower control arm bolts are 3/4" and the uppers are not. If you don't understand that then you need to take a basic physics class. If you either A) produce enough power to make enough torque to break the bolt or B) hit something hard enough to break it you will have much bigger issues besides a broken upper control arm bolt.

Most of the people who ***** about the setup never took an physics classes and repeat what they hear online. If it really was that unsafe people would be filing lawsuits against IRO for an unsafe product.

Now if you were to say that the one link puts more stress on the upper bushing causing it to fail more quickly I would support you on that.


edit: 2 things

1st: Any suspension part that bolts directly up to an vehicle will make compromises vs something being custom made.

2nd: If IRO didn't replace your adjuster there is probably a reason for that. When I bent my track bar threaded end they over nighted me another one and all I had to do was send them a picture of it.

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Unread 11-25-2011, 09:41 AM   #302
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eh. I dont really have one. Ive skimmed across threads where this has been an issue.

in my opinion (which is strictly my opinion...) if your going to go to around 6'' and 33s or 35s why not just "over build" it the first time. I haven't dropped a dime into my 35 or 30, simply because I know that they are not the axles that I want to instill my trust in on the trails. The 30 can put forth a good effort with mollys, truss, and 4.88s.


Im swapping in a 44 and 9'' (the 44 isn't better than the 30 blah blah blah)


but why not build axles that can roll with 5.13s and 37s

as far as suspension, why not do a 3 link in the front THE FIRST TIME? everyone eventually wants a 3 link, why not just do it the first time?

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Do it right or not at all. I think the problem is that people are more concerned with stuffing the biggest tires they can under it, instead of lifting it properly to suit their needs. Its great if someone is lifted on 35s, but if they don't have the right hardware to support those tires, ****s gonna break. There is no way to cheaply run 33s or 35s. You either buy the strong stuff and pay up front, or buy the cheapo stuff and pay more later when it breaks.
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Unread 11-25-2011, 02:17 PM   #303
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Do you even understand the load that is on the upper control arms? It is only rotational torque of the axle: aka when you apply the brakes or apply the gas. The lowers are what take most of the load when you go over obstacles. That is why even on the factory setup the uppers are wimpy. There is a reason the lower control arm bolts are 3/4" and the uppers are not. If you don't understand that then you need to take a basic physics class. If you either A) produce enough power to make enough torque to break the bolt or B) hit something hard enough to break it you will have much bigger issues besides a broken upper control arm bolt.

Most of the people who ***** about the setup never took an physics classes and repeat what they hear online. If it really was that unsafe people would be filing lawsuits against IRO for an unsafe product.

Now if you were to say that the one link puts more stress on the upper bushing causing it to fail more quickly I would support you on that.


edit: 2 things

1st: Any suspension part that bolts directly up to an vehicle will make compromises vs something being custom made.

2nd: If IRO didn't replace your adjuster there is probably a reason for that. When I bent my track bar threaded end they over nighted me another one and all I had to do was send them a picture of it.
Dude, you need to stop defending a sub par product, one 10mm upper control arm bolt definately isnt enough. Ericsxj has broken upper control arm bolts even with a 4 link y link suspension. So obviously it can be done. And i bent the caster adjuster. There is ALOT of rotational force on that upper mount. Hence why upper control arm bolts break and why caster adjusters bend. It is a stupid design.

I like how you admit the upper control arm bolts are wimpy yet you continue to defend that one is enough.

At the end of the day it is IMO the WORST bolt on long arm kit you can buy for the XJ. It is incredibly weak, poorly designed, the product isnt backed up the manufacture.

I guess its strong enough for splashin through mud puddles with the good ol' boys, but theres no way its even remotely strong enough for rock crawling.

This is the last thing im going to be saying in the OPs thread, if you want to discuss it more feel free to PM me
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Unread 11-25-2011, 02:41 PM   #304
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I like how you admit the upper control arm bolts are wimpy yet you continue to defend that one is enough.
I said the factory bolts are wimpy and there is a reason for that, a 3/4" bolt is not needed. If you are going to go hardcore rock crawling I hope you won't be using a bolt in kit.
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Unread 11-27-2011, 03:28 PM   #305
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So back on topic where's this mint condition xj????????????

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Unread 11-27-2011, 04:19 PM   #306
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So back on topic where's this mint condition xj????????????

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x2 this thread sucks.
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Unread 11-27-2011, 04:31 PM   #307
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x2 this thread sucks.
what shall we do with spokes?
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Unread 11-27-2011, 04:36 PM   #308
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what shall we do with spokes?
I've demoted him to noob status. anyone who complains about the ride of a lifted jeep is automatically demoted to noob.
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I've demoted him to noob status. anyone who complains about the ride of ANY jeep is automatically demoted to noob.
fixed that for ya
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Unread 11-27-2011, 04:38 PM   #310
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if youre complaining about ride, noise, mpgs, leaks, rattles, dents, or scratches do us all a favor and sell your jeep and buy a prius
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Unread 11-27-2011, 05:26 PM   #311
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LMAO, but seriously about the tire sizes, that is so correct, you cant run 33's or 35's cheap

I ran 33's on stock axles, locked the front, then snapped a shaft, then ran chromoly's, front holds up fine now, now both pinion bearings are shot, so i swapped a dana 44 rear in, now both axles are in the shop getting rebuilt so the front pinion is good again and setting 456 gears while its there to gain back the power lost by the tires

So yea, your not going to run 33's or 35's comfortably, or offroad at all without putting money in
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Unread 11-28-2011, 05:58 PM   #312
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x2 this thread sucks.
than why do u keep reading/posting in it? u really need to get a life, **** off dude. if u dont like something dont keep reading/posting in it. Ive yet to see any pics of your jeeps being actually wheeled.

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I've demoted him to noob status. anyone who complains about the ride of a lifted jeep is automatically demoted to noob.
yeha im a noob, that is y u "started to build your jeep" after seeing my other other. im allowed to ***** about how my jeep is going to ride. i dont half *** stuff, and when i installed the half assed lift i was pissed. as i said above **** off. if u dont have anything nice to say dont say it. ive been on here for 3 years, never put anyone down, said anything negative about anyones jeeps. but u and dirt dirver have been really pissing me off, i mean DD bough me a memebership cause of how i acted on this forum. im tired of hearing negative stuff about how my thread sucks and this and that and how i dont like how the lift rides, but tough ****. its called a forum for a reason, everyone can post their thoughts and opions on it. no one hsa a gun to your head to read my build.

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So back on topic where's this mint condition xj????????????

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i heard through the grape vine the guy got sick, so im gonna just give it time and see what happens. good things come to those who wait.






as for the lift issue with RC, i called today just to get some questions and make sure i got the correct parts... well i get some dude who sounded pissed at the world... he told me "i probably measured wrong" and "didnt know what i was talking about" and that a XJ will sag 2-3" no matter what. i told him i looked up the factory ride height specs and it was still 6-7" over that. he said they were probably wrong. sooo i told him i was simply calling to get some info and due to his reaction and additude i wanted my money back, his reply was to tell me their address.

so i had to go cause of work, so after work i called back and asked to speak with a manager, but i couldnt get one, the wait was to long. blah blah, so i ended up speaking with some from here on JF (not gonna mention their name) but he was very nice and helpful and i told him the ordeal with the other "dickhead" and im going to uninstall the lift tomorrow and send it back and put my jeep back to factory height for now.

its a shame that one person can ruin a company name like that, but after that phone call i doubt ill use anything RC again... its sad to say but that was just piss poor support.
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Unread 11-28-2011, 06:25 PM   #313
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Go with Clayton! You will pay more but it will be worth it. I'm still reading ur threads man. Good lick hope it works out.
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Unread 11-28-2011, 06:28 PM   #314
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im going to uninstall the lift tomorrow and send it back and put my jeep back to factory height for now.

its a shame that one person can ruin a company name like that, but after that phone call i doubt ill use anything RC again... its sad to say but that was just piss poor support.
Wow that just plain sucks. I have had nothing but stellar service from RC, I guess it is not from the dude you spoke to. It really is too bad when people put on their poopy-pants face and drop attitude all over their customers. One bad customer experience can lead to a bad reputation with a lot of people.

Sucks all the same. At least they are refunding your money.
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Unread 11-28-2011, 06:29 PM   #315
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Your choice is your choice, if you were unhappy, theres no since in keeping it when it can be returned

My suggestion is bilstien 5150 shocks and longarms on your next lift, that will give you the best ride quality.
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