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Unread 08-06-2014, 09:51 AM   #1
btajkowski
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3" lift, your thoughts on next step?

Lifting my '93 xj 4.0 to 3", 8.25 rear with new leaf packs, new shocks and springs, new bushings in front end, and steering stabilizer.

As you can see I really want to tighten up the front end, steering wheel is loose and death wobbles at 55mph+ if I hit a bump just right. Track bar mount looks good, but I sometimes get a noticeable pop in the front end on sharp turning (like into a parking space).

I'm relocating from MO to northern Michigan, and plan to use the jeep as a daily driver and for trail access for hunting/fishing/ etc. Maybe some light mudding/wheeling and fun in the snow.

Asthetically, it next step is wheels/tires. I'm looking at 15x8 wheel, 4 in. backspace and probably going no large than 31" tire, a/t's. Looking for some opinions please. (and maybe pics, if you have the time)

I don't think new control arms are necessary yet, but if anyone feels differently write it here please.

Also, some good sealers/liners recommendation (monstaliner keeps popping up in my searches) for my xj's belly so the Michigan rust doesn't eat her alive.

Thanks

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Unread 08-06-2014, 10:00 AM   #2
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I'm willing to bet your castor angle due to running stock arms has to do with some of the death wobble when hitting a bump.
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Unread 08-06-2014, 10:04 AM   #3
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I'm willing to bet your castor angle due to running stock arms has to do with some of the death wobble when hitting a bump.
No castor or camber adjustment on a solid axle. I had bad death wobble after replacing my entire front end. I just needed to get it re aligned. Toe was out a bit, problem solved.
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Unread 08-06-2014, 03:19 PM   #4
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No castor or camber adjustment on a solid axle. I had bad death wobble after replacing my entire front end. I just needed to get it re aligned. Toe was out a bit, problem solved.
When you adjust the pinion it changes the angle. I wasn't meaning a independent adjustment of the castor itself.
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Unread 08-06-2014, 03:35 PM   #5
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Lifting my '93 xj 4.0 to 3", 8.25 rear with new leaf packs, new shocks and springs, new bushings in front end, and steering stabilizer. As you can see I really want to tighten up the front end, steering wheel is loose and death wobbles at 55mph+ if I hit a bump just right. Track bar mount looks good, but I sometimes get a noticeable pop in the front end on sharp turning (like into a parking space). I'm relocating from MO to northern Michigan, and plan to use the jeep as a daily driver and for trail access for hunting/fishing/ etc. Maybe some light mudding/wheeling and fun in the snow. Asthetically, it next step is wheels/tires. I'm looking at 15x8 wheel, 4 in. backspace and probably going no large than 31" tire, a/t's. Looking for some opinions please. (and maybe pics, if you have the time) I don't think new control arms are necessary yet, but if anyone feels differently write it here please. Also, some good sealers/liners recommendation (monstaliner keeps popping up in my searches) for my xj's belly so the Michigan rust doesn't eat her alive. Thanks
Mine did the same death wobble before I lifted it. But only between 50-60mph

In my case lifting it got rid of all of my vibes because the tires were bad. 35's are on, balanced and no vibes.

I'm at 4.5" - RE Coils, and a bastard pack with 94 ford ranger shackles. No SYE or TC drop.
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Unread 08-07-2014, 09:53 AM   #6
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Mine did the same death wobble before I lifted it. But only between 50-60mph

In my case lifting it got rid of all of my vibes because the tires were bad. 35's are on, balanced and no vibes.

I'm at 4.5" - RE Coils, and a bastard pack with 94 ford ranger shackles. No SYE or TC drop.
Yeah I'm hoping all this work will get rid of the wobbles, as well as the general front-end looseness.

Now I just need to pick out a nice set of wheels/tires. Procomp/Quadratec will send me tires/wheels mounted and balanced. Thats pretty damn convenient. Anyone use their products? Worth the $$?
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Unread 08-08-2014, 09:20 AM   #7
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Not saying it will happen with you but me and my brother both lifted our jeeps mine is a 96 xj his is a 95 yj and we both had to replace our axle u-joints right after. We didn't notice anything at first but you could definitely hear them when we put it into 4wd. And I had to replace 1 wheel bearing hub assembly. I think it was the extra strain from the bigger wheels and tires. I'm running 31's with a pro comp 15x8 with 4" BS ...my brothers running 33's with a 15x10. I'm not saying it's common just saying you may need to down the road.
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Unread 08-08-2014, 09:56 AM   #8
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Lifting my '93 xj 4.0 to 3", 8.25 rear with new leaf packs, new shocks and springs, new bushings in front end, and steering stabilizer.

As you can see I really want to tighten up the front end, steering wheel is loose and death wobbles at 55mph+ if I hit a bump just right. Track bar mount looks good, but I sometimes get a noticeable pop in the front end on sharp turning (like into a parking space).

I'm relocating from MO to northern Michigan, and plan to use the jeep as a daily driver and for trail access for hunting/fishing/ etc. Maybe some light mudding/wheeling and fun in the snow.

Asthetically, it next step is wheels/tires. I'm looking at 15x8 wheel, 4 in. backspace and probably going no large than 31" tire, a/t's. Looking for some opinions please. (and maybe pics, if you have the time)

I don't think new control arms are necessary yet, but if anyone feels differently write it here please.

Also, some good sealers/liners recommendation (monstaliner keeps popping up in my searches) for my xj's belly so the Michigan rust doesn't eat her alive.

Thanks
That pop when turning at low speeds is like 95% likely your track bar moving in the body-side mount. If you remove that end of the bar you will probably find that the hole is no longer round. If so people have repaired them with various methods from cheaping out and welding a hardened washer of the correct size over it to replacing the mount to upgrading to a good double sheer bar & mount. That "pop" when turning into a parking space or around a drive-thru in stuff has always tuned out to be that mounting hole in my experience. That will also cause DW. Taking it off and visually inspecting it is the easiest way to find it.
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Unread 08-10-2014, 11:14 AM   #9
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I found the the tires I wanted on treaddepot.com then used summit racings price matching and pairs 610.00 for 4 new 265/75-15 cooper at3's mounted,balanced, on new wheels shipped to me.
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Unread 08-10-2014, 12:40 PM   #10
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I've got procomp xtreme at's and like them.They do well all around in the WI terrain and weather
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